Games Workshop New Paint Range
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Bloodhowl
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Wow! I didn't know poster paint haters came in tubes! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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me_in_japan
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While I think the new GW paints are probably pretty good, I can buy 17ml of Vallejo game colour white for 207yen, including (free) shipping from the other side of the planet, or I can buy 12ml of GW ceramite white locally for 500yen. It's long past the point where quality of product has become irrelevant. As long as GW maintain their current pricing policy, I think I'll just continue my GW boycott, thanks.
Bloodhowl
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To take the argument of quality over cost a step further: we should all stop buying metal minis from companies and only buy the "finely detailed resin cast kit" (aka finecast) from GW, everyone should also stop buying groceries and cooking for their families, instead they should eat every meal only in 5 star restaurants, they should should trade in their current vehicle for a Ferrari or Lamborghini, get rid of all the no-name brand clothes they own and only purchase designs from famous designers every season that a new line is introduced, sell off the cheap digital pocket cameras and only buy Nikon D3 or better and only the best lenses for photographing miniatures, make sure to add in Photoshop CS5 or better for processing those photos, as the quality is much better than free programs, stop using free forums and only post on ones you pay for, if you are a college graduate, you should go back to school, but only go to the most prestigious and expensive universities, etc...
it all depends on what part of the world you live, i have reaper and gw the gw paints are a bit cheap as the reaper are usa based and i can just go down the road to get gw. as for amount that depends on how much you paint, i have gw pots some 2 years old and still working. so abit more in my pot is not always a prob. every company i have tryed has some nice paint were not marrying the company so use them all.
Bloodhowl
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Sorry. Best I could do. :smile:
Yes you can indeed get a tube of poster paint haters... see 
THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT View attachment 12473
THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT View attachment 12473
Wow great Logic
GW 12ml for £2.30
Vallejo 17ml for £1.80
P3 17ml for £2.25
Reaper 17ml for £2.25
And Quality against money, don't make me laugh. GW's lifespan of use in the pot is less than 1/10th of the lifespan I'm getting from Vallejo, Oh and The Coat D'arms bottle I bought 20+ years ago, still got some working. Can't say that about a pot of Ultramarine Blue I bought just 18 months ago, it's drier than a four day old pie crust.
me_in_japan
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Sorry - didn't mean to infer GW paints were better quality than others. In my experience their paint is fine, but then so is Vallejo and p3. I daresay reaper and Andrea are good, too, I've just never used them. I just meant that GW stuff is so overpriced that even if the paints leaped off the brush and painted the minis themselves the paint still wouldn't be worth the cost. And as for longevity - yeesh. I have old GW paints (ie coat d'arms) from 15 years ago that are still ok, and I have GW pots from 3 years ago that are still mostly full, but are sadly mostly full of dried up gunk.
RuneBrush
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The problem has never been with the paint, but with the pot. Although they're intrinsically linked you shouldn't criticise the one because of the other. E.g. :- I used a Vallejo yellow once - the coverage was rubbish, the finish glossy and I struggled with blending it where it was so watery, but the dropper pot was a joy to use... I suppose that it's relative to the amount of paint you get through - I'm sure I'll have at least a couple of dozen that either need some paintomancy performed or are heading for the bin, which is bloody annoying when you come to do some painting.
Over the years the quality/consistency/etc of GW paint has improved vastly and it sounds like this latest revision should mean that you know you're going to get a consistent coverage and finish regardless of the colour. Yes they are very expensive in comparison to other paint ranges and time will tell if the new pots will keep the paint better than the "perspexy" pots they used for a while. It looks like the slightly flexible plastic should provide a better seal, but who knows?!
I'd heard rumour that the name change was that somebody had made a blooper with the last company who produced their paint (this wasn't Cote D'Arms) and transferred the names over, so instead of paying to transfer them back (which would have pushed the price up) they went with new names. It does have the benefit that if you're reading a guide or somebody is referring to a colour, you're going to know exactly what range it comes from. I suppose it's possible that the old paint company may try and produce the old range of paints too...
Over the years the quality/consistency/etc of GW paint has improved vastly and it sounds like this latest revision should mean that you know you're going to get a consistent coverage and finish regardless of the colour. Yes they are very expensive in comparison to other paint ranges and time will tell if the new pots will keep the paint better than the "perspexy" pots they used for a while. It looks like the slightly flexible plastic should provide a better seal, but who knows?!
I'd heard rumour that the name change was that somebody had made a blooper with the last company who produced their paint (this wasn't Cote D'Arms) and transferred the names over, so instead of paying to transfer them back (which would have pushed the price up) they went with new names. It does have the benefit that if you're reading a guide or somebody is referring to a colour, you're going to know exactly what range it comes from. I suppose it's possible that the old paint company may try and produce the old range of paints too...
Coat D'Arms does still make and sell the same paints, inks, and glazes (now super washes) in a round version of the original hexagonal bottle with the apocalypse-proof lids.
They even have the textured paint, triad sets,10 bottle sets and "super shaders" that appear to be brush-on all-in-one dips as well.
Coat D'arms Color Chart
Coat D'arms Paints
They even have the textured paint, triad sets,10 bottle sets and "super shaders" that appear to be brush-on all-in-one dips as well.
Coat D'arms Color Chart
Coat D'arms Paints
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freakinacage
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Same here, over priced and many times more likely to dry up
Einion
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For anyone who likes cost comparisons/breakdowns, a rough estimate of cost per ml for tube paints... if cost is a primary consideration it might make you cry.
Once you thin to around the same consistency as hobby paints a 60 or 75ml tube of acrylics bulks out to maybe four or five times that amount and some of the tubes are around the same price as those 12 or 17ml bottles to begin with... you begin to get an inkling of just how much cheaper paint can be. And it can be better paint as well.
I estimated a few years back that with something like the Jo Sonjas (which are very cheap for paint of that type, especially if bought online) it works out to be around 40 times cheaper than GW.
Of course you can't get all the premixed colours you're used to and they're not a fluid consistency, so not a simple swap-out option, but food for thought.
Einion
xaeromancer
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Using art acrylics can definitely work out cheaper. But it would require more skill in mixing the paints. Although, you could eventually acquire that as you'd have "more" pigmentation to work with at the thicker consistencies and it wouldn't be such a waste to experiment.
Cryla is used by professional artists and hangs on gallery walls, so it's good enough for toy soldiers. A quick search shows that the most expensive paints in the range (which must be priced based on its chemistry) are about £9 for 75ml. So that is still less than £2 for 15ml before you even start to thin it down.
It makes you wonder why people use model paints at all...
Cryla is used by professional artists and hangs on gallery walls, so it's good enough for toy soldiers. A quick search shows that the most expensive paints in the range (which must be priced based on its chemistry) are about £9 for 75ml. So that is still less than £2 for 15ml before you even start to thin it down.
It makes you wonder why people use model paints at all...
Convenience and having a company ram down peoples throats that its products are the best, if not the only paints to use.
Like so many others I've used GW paints, but having come from a background where and when those paints didn't exist, I'm fortunate enough to be able to cherry pick the paints I use. Vallejo model, Vallejo Game, some GW, Reaper Artists Tube and Oils each has it's place and use for me. I'm just not willing to jump on the bandwagon and say GW rules when experience has taught me that their paint quality is no better than anyone elses' and in fact is more expensive in the long run due to their inferior pots.
