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provoke_me

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warmachine!

it aears warmachine is on the rise. they have these awesome new resin statues that you can buy!
they are massive!
 
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WM---It is seriously neat shtuff- the whole crossover age of science dawning with magic thrown in. I can see room for spin offs like a spce race thing with similar tech mixed in with magic. Kind of like hammer and 40k in the olden days (pre-shareholder). Its one of those seminal things where there is a feel to it.
I can see it make a good grab for the market gap. The LOTR figs should drop in price soon and/or go on big sale- they make great D&D figs anyways.
 

Valander

Member
Originally posted by Drake Farstrider
Well, for WARMACHINE stuff, they\'re not that bad, actually. You have to consider two additional things for these minis, in comparison to the GW stuff:

1. You don\'t need anywhere near as many models to play a game. So, your overall price for an army is much less for WARMACHINE.

That is a good point, I do believe you said that to me once before too. How many models does one need to play? :D
Pretty much any of the starter boxes are good for a basic game. That\'ll give you about 350-375 points, depending on exactly which box. You can then throw in another \'jack or maybe a unit or two to get you up to 500 points. That\'s a good sized game that goes pretty quick but still has a lot of fun in it.

2. All of Privateer\'s models are pure metal. There\'s no plastic whatsoever, other than the base. So, paying $25 for a box of 6 or so metal minis just doesn\'t rub people quite as rough as paying $30+ for a box of 12 plastic ones. Of course, that\'s for trooper types; the \'jacks are much more reasonable, given that they\'re comparable to dreadnaughts.

Again a good point Anthony, I guess I just am cheap and have a slite problem paying $25.00+ for a single miniature. But that being said I also will not pay $30.00 for a box of 12 plastic miniatures. Are they insane? ??? I would have too say that Privateer Press does a wonderful job sculpting their mini\'s too.

Boy if I am not carefull you may talk me into picking up some of the Warmachine line. Do you work for them? lollollol

Nope, don\'t work for them. But, I was really refreshed with the game when I got Eric up at the Game Wizard to give me a demo, and then even more so after I picked up the Prime book.

Plus, steam-powered golem-like things toting around and smacking steam-enhanced zombies is just too damn cool. ;)
 
@ Valander: So you telling me that I could buy a box set and one other mini and spend less than $100.00 and be good to go with a 500 point army! :D

I would be hard pressed to do that with Games Workshop. :]
 

Valander

Member
Originally posted by Drake Farstrider
@ Valander: So you telling me that I could buy a box set and one other mini and spend less than $100.00 and be good to go with a 500 point army! :D

I would be hard pressed to do that with Games Workshop. :]

Absolutely!

You can get a pretty kick-ass army in WARMACHINE for around a hundred bucks.

If you\'re really interested, you should drop over to Game Wizard and ask Eric (owner) for a demo game. I\'m sure he\'d be happy to do so.

The other cool thing is that you don\'t even really need the book (though it is a great book, and well worth it); the starter boxes come with the basic rules, and all the stats for the models/units come on cards with the unit.

I feel so evil, sometimes, when I pimp games like that. ;) What sucks is that I still haven\'t finished my starter box of Cryx, and probably won\'t have a chance to until around March. :(
 
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Without any doubt- moocho less moola. Heck the prime book only cost me $20, not even and tons of great stuff there. Plus they have all sorts of free rules over on their site to get you started.

Of course I like my GW gear but- holla.
I also like the clicky thingies that are for battletech now.
 
Well the next time I am up at the Game Wizard I will ask Eric to do that. Although the last few times that I have been there he was not working. :(
 

Ichaerus

New member
The debate continues...

Originally posted by Dragonsreach
GW has survived for almost 30 Years and I believe that their lead in the market place will not be broken as easily as some market analysts would have us believe. They are no longer in the market place as a gaming hobby, they are selling Toy Soldiers and that is their marketing intent.

I agree with your points on the sales loss from LotR, but I must respectfully respond on the last point (quoted above) for two reasons.

1.) Selling \"Toy Soldiers\" instead of \"Hobby Games\".
Bad, bad move if this is their focus. How many 12-17 year olds will play \"toy soliders\". I believe it is in fact the hobby that gets them into this. One only has to look at the shelves of the local toy store to see how well toy soliders sell today. Also, their independent retailer base in the Americas is declining quickly and they are already beginning to consolidate stores here as well. They are fighting an uphill battle and denying reality as most large companies tend to fall into.

2.) \"Lead in the market\"
While I don\'t believe GW will go away, I do believe they will lose their lead in the market. Just looking at this market segment and the customer base, gives and indication of this. TSR once held the lead, then Wizards of the Coast, then GW. It\'s once again time for someone to take the lead.

Additionally, if you study the facts of the decline of the previously mentioned companies (TSR and WotC) is was the same in both cases - corporate greed and mismanagement (i.e., executives who really don\'t understand the customer base). In both cases, it resulted in inferior products delivered at superior prices.

While GW does deliver high-quality minis, they are not so high quality as too demand a 25%-40% differentail over the market. There publication quality, however, reminds me of 2nd edition D&D, with a lot to be desired.

The one thing to understand with this market, which is both a benefit and bane, is the dedicated player/collector base. It is a benefit because when everyone is playing your game, newer players are attracted via sell through. This is the phenomenon that has made ALL of the leaders in the history of this market. Conversely, it is a bane because when gamers move away from your company, it is most likely you will have turned them off from EVERYTHING you produce.

This phenomenon is what has unseated the leaders before and, after 25 years of exposure to this market, I see it happening again.

Again, I predict that within a 3 to 5 year timeframe, GW will be in a substantially different postion than they are today, unless they prove themselve to be the one company to prove history wrong.
 
Originally posted by Ichaerus
Originally posted by Dragonsreach
GW has survived for almost 30 Years and I believe that their lead in the market place will not be broken as easily as some market analysts would have us believe. They are no longer in the market place as a gaming hobby, they are selling Toy Soldiers and that is their marketing intent.

I agree with your points on the sales loss from LotR, but I must respectfully respond on the last point (quoted above) for two reasons.

1.) Selling \"Toy Soldiers\" instead of \"Hobby Games\".
Bad, bad move if this is their focus. How many 12-17 year olds will play \"toy soliders\". I believe it is in fact the hobby that gets them into this. One only has to look at the shelves of the local toy store to see how well toy soliders sell today. Also, their independent retailer base in the Americas is declining quickly and they are already beginning to consolidate stores here as well. They are fighting an uphill battle and denying reality as most large companies tend to fall into.

2.) \"Lead in the market\"
While I don\'t believe GW will go away, I do believe they will lose their lead in the market. Just looking at this market segment and the customer base, gives and indication of this. TSR once held the lead, then Wizards of the Coast, then GW. It\'s once again time for someone to take the lead.

Additionally, if you study the facts of the decline of the previously mentioned companies (TSR and WotC) is was the same in both cases - corporate greed and mismanagement (i.e., executives who really don\'t understand the customer base). In both cases, it resulted in inferior products delivered at superior prices.

While GW does deliver high-quality minis, they are not so high quality as too demand a 25%-40% differentail over the market. There publication quality, however, reminds me of 2nd edition D&D, with a lot to be desired.

The one thing to understand with this market, which is both a benefit and bane, is the dedicated player/collector base. It is a benefit because when everyone is playing your game, newer players are attracted via sell through. This is the phenomenon that has made ALL of the leaders in the history of this market. Conversely, it is a bane because when gamers move away from your company, it is most likely you will have turned them off from EVERYTHING you produce.

This phenomenon is what has unseated the leaders before and, after 25 years of exposure to this market, I see it happening again.

Again, I predict that within a 3 to 5 year timeframe, GW will be in a substantially different postion than they are today, unless they prove themselve to be the one company to prove history wrong.

I get the strong feeling that you are not a big fan of Games Workshop. :D
 
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These GW folks have been clever, clever and I can\'t see them changing that. I agree the market MAY slow down. But to croak- naa- don\'t think so. All I is sayin\' is that there is a hole for the newcomers.

With D&D ususally one guy has all the books and the others have only one or two of them- then that is it. They don\'t sell any more other than the odd supliment- and only the DM needs that one...
GW- well heck, books- you gotta have them all and figs to boot if you want to keep up with the Joneseslol. Also there ae those piles of lead and such all over the place to remnd you that you play theses games. They \"try\" to make it a full experience. I have nevr seen such crowds for D&D- even on the heyday.
Vs. video- all you have left after you are done a game is a disk- eventually filed away. The thing with the other stuff is it is always in the way somehow- reminding me anyways, to play once and a while.
 

Herb the bitter

New member
Close call!

Originally posted by finn17
Unlike GW they seem to want to encourage customers. 10% discount if you are a member of the Confed, free postage over 100E and loads of free, blistered minis for each 100E you spent. Plus they have their Dragon Gems scheme.

EDIT: I have just worked out the value of the free minis they sent me with my last E100 order which were: Irix the Sybil, Wolven Warriors (3), Wolven Hunter (1) and Wolven predator (1) and it comes to approximately E61:D You can\'t beat that sort of generosity in my book.

You don\'t have to have Wolven either, there are a range of races on offer.

Good thing I didn\'t see this post until today. Over the weekend while feeling pangs of guilt over recent(Wolfen, BTW) purchases and the piles of unpainted minis, I took a vow not to buy any more until I painted 20 minis. This will lead to either increased productivity(not likely) or prolonged suffering(likely). I\'ve already rationalised mounted figures count as 2 to try to speed things up, and have given myself a Gamesday exemption to buy a Mordheim mini, which I was eyeballing before the vow. Wish me luck:)
 

supervike

Super Moderator
HA HA!!

Originally posted by Herb the bitter

Good thing I didn\'t see this post until today. Over the weekend while feeling pangs of guilt over recent(Wolfen, BTW) purchases and the piles of unpainted minis, I took a vow not to buy any more until I painted 20 minis. This will lead to either increased productivity(not likely) or prolonged suffering(likely). I\'ve already rationalised mounted figures count as 2 to try to speed things up, and have given myself a Gamesday exemption to buy a Mordheim mini, which I was eyeballing before the vow. Wish me luck:)

I\'d wish you luck, but I have taken similar such \'vows\' many times in the past. Maybe we could use \'peer pressure\' to help? I\'ll take the same vow as you, and we\'ll see who cracks first...;)
 

Herb the bitter

New member
Originally posted by supervike

I\'d wish you luck, but I have taken similar such \'vows\' many times in the past. Maybe we could use \'peer pressure\' to help? I\'ll take the same vow as you, and we\'ll see who cracks first...;)

I\'m game, but I assume that you quick sent your orders to Rackham and Forgeworld first, and then posted your reply ;)

My target is some time in the fall, and I\'m a stubborn SOB, so I\'m sure I\'ll make it. I\'m just trying figure out how to make that Land Raider I want to paint count as more than one figure.lol

EDIT: And as long as I\'m making crazy talk, I\'ll get something posted by then too:cool:
 
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Does anyone else have any really nice sources for used minis. We sure do. Whyte Knight hobbies has tons of stuff people trade in all the time. Just need some stripper or pine sol.
It is nice to put your hands on the actual fig to see if you wnat it or not.
 
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