help the not yet skinny guy!

Congratulations Farseerlum on your embarking on a lifestyle change that will bring you many benefits in the future. I found when I gave up cigarettes I started to eat more because, more often than not I was bored. I began a cardio program that started with walking then to jogging and onto running. It wasn\'t over night, but I began to lose weight and felt better. I found I could still eat the things that I liked, and didn\'t obsess over calories. The key to things I found was moderation. As for drinking lots of pop, I have the can of soda once in awhile. I try to drink mostly water, and probably throw back between 1 and three cups of coffee a day. Can\'t give all the bad stuff up right?
 

mule

old and stubborn
Originally posted by nadine
Mule, I switched to eating chocolates made with maltitol, a sugar alcohol. Maltitol doesn\'t cause your blood sugar to spike the way that normal sugar does. I too couldn\'t bear the thought of giving up chocolate-maybe next year the easter bunny will bring you some sugar free easter eggs? :)

Of course, if you meant regular eggs I\'m going to feel daft. :p

Well it aint so much the chocolate I have a problem with (which is also a problem as I\'d only buy it on a whim, which would rule out mal.. mali.. that stuff), but the big greasy hamburger I get from the corner store I walk past each day.

Now we aint talking no tiny little Maccas burger, we\'re talking BIG, greasy, cheesy, burger with the lot (at least I get plenty of vegies this way). If I feel like a change I\'ll have half a chicken (have been known to down a whole chicken when hungry) or a double meat kebab.
Carbs aint the problem, it\'s the fat that I gotta worry \'bout.

BTW: who said life was meant to be fair? the way I eat I should be twice the size, I have above the normal range good cholesterol and below range bad cholesterol. My blood pressure is just fine and I can still do 100(metres) in under 14 seconds(last time I checked).
 

stumpkiller

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Originally posted by mule
Originally posted by stumpkiller
cool, I\'m in! starting at 235, so I have to lose 15 lbs. :|~lol

lets see, my 122kg goes to about 268lbs
and \"not so skinny\'s\" 138kg goes to about 303lbs.

Had a really nasty case of the flu over the last week, which has set me back a bit, but I\'ll give farseerlum a race to about 104kg (228lbs), but history has shown it gets exponentially harder from there...

I\'ve only once been under 100kg since I was an 18yr old, and this was after completeing a full season of league, training twice a week for and playing one game a week of gridiron, and spending two and a half hours three times a week in the gym (1 hr weights, 1hr cardio, half hr pool).

Then christmas at granmas and the off-season hit, and I ain\'t been back in that vacinity since..:~(

Okay, to make it more even, I\'ll set my goal at 180 lbs. Is there some simple conversion formula for lbs to kg? is this about 85 kgs???:D
 

mule

old and stubborn
Originally posted by stumpkiller

Okay, to make it more even, I\'ll set my goal at 180 lbs. Is there some simple conversion formula for lbs to kg? is this about 85 kgs???:D

82kgs (well, 81.818181:rolleyes: )

see ya at the finish line:p
 

nadine

New member
Originally posted by mule

Now we aint talking no tiny little Maccas burger, we\'re talking BIG, greasy, cheesy, burger with the lot (at least I get plenty of vegies this way). If I feel like a change I\'ll have half a chicken (have been known to down a whole chicken when hungry) or a double meat kebab.
Carbs aint the problem, it\'s the fat that I gotta worry \'bout.

I eat an awful lot like that too. Not quite the quantity, I don\'t think I could polish off a whole chicken but half a chicken isn\'t too much of a stretch. I eat nice big greasy burgers whenever I want to, just skip the bun and the ketchup (which has added sugar in it). FWIW, I\'m 5\'6\" and weigh between 115-118 pounds. I expect to gain some weight as I build muscle tone from Pilates workouts and playing tennis-I\'m pretty flabby right now and fat weighs less than muscle.

What I liked about the whole low carb thing was that I specifically *don\'t* have to watch my fat intake except for trans fats (I can\'t recall the other term for them, but they\'re the fats you get from eating potato chips and the like).

What low carb eating does is change your body\'s metabolism. Instead of burning carbohydrate for energy (and remember, excess carbohydrate gets converted straight to fat and then sits there), you force the body to burn fat for energy instead. It works for weight loss because your body will start burning your own fat reserves to fuel itself.

In any case, I didn\'t really intend my original post to be directed specifically at you, mule. I read the original one and thought to make a weight loss suggestion. It sounds like you are doing alright the way you are!

For anyone curious, you can look up Atkins and get the actual medical information-I\'m going off the top of my head and apologize for anything that may not be precisely accurate.
 

Rachel

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Saw an interesting BBC doco on the Atkins thing recently - it summarised a few studies that had been done on reduced carbohydrate diets. I\'m not meaning to start any kind of argument, but just wanted to point out that there had been no supporting evidence for any change in how your body processes the food, and the primary finding was simply that protein is more satisfying as a food - so you need to eat less of it than other foods.

Most of the positive results from Atkins-style diets were based on that - essentially when people\'s actual diet was recorded (over the course of several months in a UK study, and over the course of a year in Denmark) it was found that the protein folk ended up eating a low-calorie diet. Nothing to do with biochemical changes, just how your body works on a regular basis - lower calorific intake than output will result in weight loss. So really, you could eat a low-calorie balanced diet and have the same result.

I\'m also a fattie trying to lose weight, currently 95kg - 209lb- was 105 18 months ago, could stand to lose at least 20 more, have plateaued for some months now. I tend to go for fewer carbs in the evening since they\'re a fundamental source of energy for the body and brain and I do less of everything at night :) I make sure I have some before going to the gym though, otherwise I\'m likely to snooze off in the middle of a set of squats :D

Personally I\'m more in favour of all-round balance than eating more of one particular nutrient group - it\'s also an opinion biased by a couple of bodybuilders I\'ve known who for the months leading up to a comp would go hardcore protein, and complain of serious mood alteration and fatigue which went away pretty much as soon as they started eating normally again. The body is designed a certain way, to use particular food-groups as fuel and the idea of altering that too much does make me a natch uneasy.

I think perhaps it might be more valuable to look at the *type* of carbohydrate you\'re eating than cut it out altogether - stuff with a low GI, things that releases energy *slowly* rather than in a sugar spike which then crashes and makes you need more food... which one tends to crave in the form of sugar (because of that quick burst of energy when you feel down)... which then makes you crash again! it\'s a rotten cycle of crap eating which I\'m really quite familiar with due to my own lousy dietary habits.

So yummy wholegrain/seed bread rather than boring old white bread, brown rice over white rice, that kinda thing. I know white bread tends to be the cheapest bread (which is important if you\'re on a student budget as I used to be), but given that the wholegrain bread is likely to be more satisfying throughout the course of the day it\'s likely you\'ll eat less overall so the increased cost may not be such a big deal.


But hey, different things work for different people :)

My own goal is to lose fat percentage at a regular but slow rate (to avoid yucky things like loose skin, bleurgh) - so there are a lot of weights in my workouts. Yay weights! Actually it\'s about half and half weights and cardio, so I\'ve hopefully got my bases covered.

Slackness is the problem right now - it\'s easy to eat crap and skip workouts. Particularly when my husband likes to sleep in and eat chippies. Argh. Can\'t... resist... pizza...

My biggest weakness is definitely the fatty salty stuff, it\'s easy to get a sweet alternative but kinda hard to replace the taste of melted cheddar :(

God, that was a long post wasn\'t it? Hopefully something in it was useful to someone :)
 

mule

old and stubborn
OK, stumpkiller and farseerlum, it is time for updates...

In an effort to maintain motivation in the pursuit of a goal not immediately achievable, it is often necessary to use reminders and set smaller goals that help us move towards that final utopia of not-so-fat-ness.

But that\'s got nothing to do with this:D

We\'re in the middle of a comp here, so in order to let yourselves know how you stand (in said comp) and whether the opposition has gotten a leg up, we should all post so we can see how each of are getting along every so often.:D:D
 

stumpkiller

New member
Originally posted by mule
OK, stumpkiller and farseerlum, it is time for updates...

In an effort to maintain motivation in the pursuit of a goal not immediately achievable, it is often necessary to use reminders and set smaller goals that help us move towards that final utopia of not-so-fat-ness.

But that\'s got nothing to do with this:D

We\'re in the middle of a comp here, so in order to let yourselves know how you stand (in said comp) and whether the opposition has gotten a leg up, we should all post so we can see how each of are getting along every so often.:D:D

down a pound :flip::bouncy::flip: but not walking great yet, bottle thing is helping little by little, but mostly I have been busy enough that I haven\'t snacked much the last couple weeks...
 

Sand Rat

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Not officially part of the competition here, but thought I\'d share my own progress here - havent lost any weight yet, but have managed to get the coke intake down to 6-8 oz in the morning - followed by tea which is 1 quart sized regular tea bag and 2-3 herbal tea bags (non caffinated mint or raspberry) to a gallon of water. Bp has dropped about 15 points on the high and low ends - course the doctor then put me on bp meds to drop it even further.

All I can say is keep up the good work guys.
 

stumpkiller

New member
Originally posted by steelcult
Not officially part of the competition here, but thought I\'d share my own progress here - havent lost any weight yet, but have managed to get the coke intake down to 6-8 oz in the morning - followed by tea which is 1 quart sized regular tea bag and 2-3 herbal tea bags (non caffinated mint or raspberry) to a gallon of water. Bp has dropped about 15 points on the high and low ends - course the doctor then put me on bp meds to drop it even further.

All I can say is keep up the good work guys.
That\'s awesome! Keep it up! uh, er, down:duh::flip:
 

mule

old and stubborn
Originally posted by steelcult
Not officially part of the competition here, but thought I\'d share my own progress here - havent lost any weight yet, but have managed to get the coke intake down to 6-8 oz in the morning - followed by tea which is 1 quart sized regular tea bag and 2-3 herbal tea bags (non caffinated mint or raspberry) to a gallon of water. Bp has dropped about 15 points on the high and low ends - course the doctor then put me on bp meds to drop it even further.

All I can say is keep up the good work guys.

Hey join in! Set yourself a target and let us know.
I tried some coffee the other morning to substitute for the diet coke (boy that stuff gives you rot-gut) can\'t say I like it that much.
Haven´t lost any weight yet, but I´ve stopped the upwards crawl. Been hitting the gym (go free weights) so whether I go up or down is yet unknown...:rolleyes:
 

Mungo Zen

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Tea has more caffeine then coffee, yet many people, including myself, feel the effects more from coffee.

Espresso (as someone wrongly posted earlier) should have 0 caffeine. Espresso is supposed to be the essence of the bean, and should be \"short\" steamed. In Italy you get just the essence, in North America, you get the essence, the caffeine and everything else from the bean, which is why it tastes so bitter generally. For you espresso drinkers, next time ask for it to be \"short\", you get a little less, but it is a way nicer drink.

I used to drink lots of Cola when I worked in the restaurant industry, in the 4 liters a day range. I stopped because I was concerned about my teeth (Pay over 1000 bucks for dental work and try to justify not stopping drinking it). I switched to 50/50 Sprite and water and then 30/70 tonic (Not Club Soda) and water. It meant I got rid of the caffeine and alot of the sugars, but had something that was a touch tastier then just plan old water.

I applaud you guys for taking care of your bodies and trying to change your diets to suit a healthier lifestyle. I hope your are doing so safely and well informed and get the results you desire.

Good Luck!
 

koenminator

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Yeah, adding water to your soda\'s can help a lot. I actually don\'t like to drink \'pure\' cola or fanta anymore, it tastes too sweet now. I also cut the amount of sugar I put in my coffee and yoghurt these days.
Drinking lots of water and taking about 5 small meals a day helps too. It keeps your intestines working the whole day which is good for your digestion. Combined with working out at least 3 times a week for 30 minutes (you only start to burn fat after 20 minutes of working out so....) should let you lose weight.
The most difficult thing to do is to keep you intake of sugars down. Not eating fat food is easy, but sugars are in everything (juices, fruit etc.).
 
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