I know i am going to sound like a newb but...

the catman

New member
well, Iv told him of lollollollol

and mordo, I like to take the piss out of people, if anyone is giving you crap like that guy then ill give him CRAP.
I also like to defend people who I think are ok.
;););););)

the catman
 

squig hunter

New member
Protector of the \"innocent\"...

Upholder of fairness...

It\'s...


The CATMAN!!!

Played by Samuel L. Jackson;

\"I want these Motherf*cking Snipers of mah Motherf*cking CMON!!!\"

Coming soon to a theatre near YOU.

Squig
 

Legacy Account

Active member
Some advice:

Ignore nob-heads.
Toughen up!
Learn to take good pics.
Practice.

Posting your stuff here\'s a good move as well.

As for the fig, it\'s probably a little too way out for some of the GW saddos out there. I like it. Show\'s a bit of personality. And it obviously winds up GW fanboys. Winner!

:beer:
 

mordo

New member
actually when i was talkibg about the head i ment the tenticled keeper of secrets head... btw thanks for the assists guys ( and possible girls) :bouncy:
 

Mason

Member
You know what\'s weird, the colour scheme and the conversion totally remind me of 80\'s He-Man figures. Kind of like Modulok meets Skeletor meets Beastman. :wow:

Anyways, I can\'t say anything that spacemunkie didn\'t say already, but I would emphasize that good photography is important if you\'re concerned about getting a higher rating. A simple backdrop, proper lighting, and good depth of field are all key to this.

Keep\'em coming. You\'ve obviously got no shortage of creative ideas. :)
 

EldinTux

New member
Just to add my 2 penny\'s worth.

I say ignore the fluff addicts. I always paint what I feel is right even if the fluff doesn\'t agree check out my Tiger Stripe Dragon Ogre. This was slammed by a few critics cos it don\'t fit with their ideas.

Personally you models not to my taste, but you\'ve got a great idea - roll with it.

Have a look at some of the tutorials on here for some ideas on better photo\'s. And above all enjoy what you paint, don\'t paint something to fit some elses idea & then hate it :)
 

lizcam

New member
Originally posted by Undave
If you stay on the forums for any length of time you will learn not to read anything penguins have to say lol lol lol

lol you pegged that one right!
 

shinjikun1

New member
i was a bit perterbed myself, saw the penguine\'s comments on three different pics so o googled him...found a matching username on Feldgrau.net, approprietly :mad: glad to see he hasnt gone unnoticed
 
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Shadzar

Guest
Originally posted by Dragonsreach
The primary commentator you are referring to is a low level targeter.
He consistantly aims his comments at newer or painters who\'s scores are showing as tabletop or lower and as yet I have never seen one of his comments that actually are helpful.

Class him as a complete waste of space and move on.

as a moderator i ask if this wouldn\'t be considered a form of trolling?

if trolling/flaming/baiting/etc wouldn\'t be allowed on the forums then should they be allowed on the gallery side of the site?

if it is known that this user \"targets\" people then doesn\'t that seem to be possible grounds for banning?
sadly for the image itself i gave it a 4. this is because i can\'t really see the mini because of the blur and the angle.

one thing you will notice here is people do vote on the image more than the mini. well that would make sense since you only have the image to go on.

also personally i don\'t like that green and blue. they just don\'t seem to go well with the purple or the mini in my taste.

the book is nicely done as well as the rest looks cleanly painted.

i can\'t really tell what was converted from what so i guess that means the mod went well as the mini blends together itself.

the base could probably use some work. or again its the photo quality not showing off what the base really looks like.

maybe a slightly higher angle without the blue windowed wall and jsut the cream color real world wall behind it would show off the mini better.

try to take as many pictures as possible if you can. with digital images the ones you don\'t need can always be deleted. but if you are having to develop the pictures then don\'t waste the money, just try to look from many angels before taking the pictures to see which one will show off the mini better.

well can\'t wait to see more from you and an updated image on this one. hope i have explained my vote enough where it doesn\'t just sound like someone being harsh to a \"newb\". (i HATE that word!)
 

supervike

Super Moderator
Originally posted by Shadzar
Originally posted by Dragonsreach
The primary commentator you are referring to is a low level targeter.
He consistantly aims his comments at newer or painters who\'s scores are showing as tabletop or lower and as yet I have never seen one of his comments that actually are helpful.

Class him as a complete waste of space and move on.

as a moderator i ask if this wouldn\'t be considered a form of trolling?

if trolling/flaming/baiting/etc wouldn\'t be allowed on the forums then should they be allowed on the gallery side of the site?

Egads man! I don\'t know what to think about you.

Isn\'t what you\'ve been doing for the past couple of weeks fall right into that same category?

I don\'t know why there has to be a swirl of controversy around you at all times, but I am getting sick of you telling the moderator how to do their jobs.

I\'ve turned my head to most of it, as some decent conversations have arose, but your Modus Operandi is most certainly that of a TROLL.

You keep flame baiting people into provoking you, and then act indignant when they call you on it. (and write a book-long essay on the fact)

Tell you what, knock it off, or get lost. We don\'t \'need\' that type of entertainment here.

If you\'d like to be a contributing member of the forums, you are certainly welcome, but the snide remarks that I\'ve been ignoring will no longer be.
 
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Shadzar

Guest
i am being quite serious in trying to figure out what this community has become in the year i have been away from it.

you can be as sick of me as you want, but the point remains i am asking questions. because you don\'t like the question is no reason to get uppity with me about it.

and if someone, as was pointed out, is jsut targetting low ranked minis with sour comments then that seems like there would be a problem and moderators should do something about it.

i may look at moderation a little more heavily than i used to for certain recent factors with a few websites, but it remains the same key point. where does the responsiblity of the moderators lie and where does it lie with the \"posters\".

as i said somewhere there may be just too much on this site for a few people to handle. i jsut hope it is\'nt viewed here like it has beomce on the WotC forums with how the moderators handle things.

also as i said likewise i have quite a few friends that refuse to join under the current conditions. and since the won\'t join to take the bellitlement and harrasment that are oft given around here i am speaking for them.

it would seem in the best interest for the community to want more people here than not.

just please say this place isn\'t becoming like WotC forums and that moderation of content is ignored due to the large amount of workload.

so again i ask since i didn\'t get an answer...

would someone targetting other painters not be considered a form harrassment or such?

but of course i am just a troll since i ask questions and have a different opinon than your own. :rolleyes:
 

supervike

Super Moderator
My point being is you are ready to let fly accusations of \'trolling\' yet you exhibit the same exact behavior.

I\'m not going to be drawn into a debate about this. Like it or not, I am the moderator, YOU are not. I don\'t give two shits if you don\'t like my approach to it. If you continue upon this course of action, I will begin to delete your threads. If that doesn\'t get your attention, I will ban you.
 
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Shadzar

Guest
i understand completely now and have the answers to my questions. of course you will delete this post along with my threads, but i think it a very poor state when a moderator threatens another user because they have a difference of opinion.

and you for one seem to not understand the difference between trolling and discussion.

so feel free to attack me if you wish by deleting my threads as that will only prove that this conclusion i have jsut come to to be true.

or if you care to point out where my posts were trolling rather than criticisms versus that which you allow to be posted as comment that are blatent rude remarks and flaming the poster of the mini/image.

from your attitude it seems to me this site is the thiing that has gone to shit.

i will leave you with this advice about moderation criticism as other have given me with painting and see how well you were it... get thicker skin.
 

supervike

Super Moderator
Originally posted by Shadzar
i understand completely now and have the answers to my questions. of course you will delete this post along with my threads, but i think it a very poor state when a moderator threatens another user because they have a difference of opinion.

and you for one seem to not understand the difference between trolling and discussion.

so feel free to attack me if you wish by deleting my threads as that will only prove that this conclusion i have jsut come to to be true.

or if you care to point out where my posts were trolling rather than criticisms versus that which you allow to be posted as comment that are blatent rude remarks and flaming the poster of the mini/image.

from your attitude it seems to me this site is the thiing that has gone to shit.

i will leave you with this advice about moderation criticism as other have given me with painting and see how well you were it... get thicker skin.


Please stop assuming you know \'how I operate\', or \'what I will do\'. You\'ve no freaking clue. The simple fact is that you are a \'high maintenance\' forum member. I am addressing it, as is my charge as a moderator. I have had more complaints about you in your return, than I\'ve had about HUNDREDS of other forum members, who seem to \'get along just fine\'.


And yes, if I determine you are trolling, as opposed to offering an opinion, I will absolutely delete your posts. That is what I feel my duties are. I\'m not going to point out anything to you. You are capable of figuring that out for yourself.

Again, and just so we are clear. Do not presume to tell me how I should or should not moderate. It is not your call to make.

As for the site going to shit and your constant threat of \'my friends won\'t like it\'. I don\'t care. We have problems on the site, like any other, I address them to the best of my ability.

If that is not good enough for the ownership of the site, they will undoubtedly let me know, as that is their right.
 
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Shadzar

Guest
Originally posted by supervike
As for the site going to shit and your constant threat of \'my friends won\'t like it\'. I don\'t care. We have problems on the site, like any other, I address them to the best of my ability.

If that is not good enough for the ownership of the site, they will undoubtedly let me know, as that is their right.

there is no threat about my friends. they jsut won\'t join so i speak their opinons for them. because i think this place can be the best mini devoted site. but if the focus has changed then so be it, i would just like to know what it is now.

as for \"your\" moderation are you claiming to be the only moderator?

i know CA is away, but if you are telling me you are the only one that \"moderates\" the images and such that comes onto the site then my previous stance holds true.

this site needs more people. one person alone cannot handle the forums, image postings/changes, comments, etc wash, rinse, repeat.

not enough hours in the day for a single person to do it. thus more people are needed. if that offends you that someone thinks you are human and cannot do it all alone then i suggest you take a break from moderating or risk burnout or a stress level that no moderator needs.

and i mean via sheer amount of work rather than type of work.

and i didn\'t presume anythign about you. YOU stated that you would delete my threads. it is in your above post. you made it as a threat. and for a moderator that is unprofessional, therefore i came to my conclusions.

again if you are the only moderator then i say BS. again because one person cannot do all the moderation on forums, let alone the other features this site has such as image postings, comments etc.

at least DragonReach is here to help with slack of the forums, but still one person shouldn\'t have to deal with the images and comments themselves.

as for the complaints about me i am most sure they are because i speak my mind while others would prefer me to conform to their opinions rather than have my own as was in the TOP7 thread where voting in general was discussed. and i find it odd that most of those with an opinon differing from my own and several other were near the top 100 ranked people. what some would seem to view as an elistist attitude. why people are snobbish against the \"40k fanboys\". again not fostering a good view of the community as a whole.

and aside from this hijack which has occured because i dared to ask a question in the interest of the htreads topic and the OP (who also seems to feel comment moderation may not be at its best), i would also like to know how the contest turns out and what people at it thought of this entry. and if there may be more angles posted to see what the rest of it looks like?

that is if the new member hasn\'t left due to the tome of the community as a whole.
 

supervike

Super Moderator
READ THIS WHOLE THING. THINK ABOUT IT FIRST....THEN REREAD IT.

Its your choice to pick and choose and come to your own conclusions.

I will again restate what I said. If YOU choose to continue down the path of flame baiting (which you currently are doing with me, and you have done several other times already). I will begin to delete your threads. Why do you take that as an attack? It\'s your choice to do so. It\'s my CHARGE to take care of it.

I never once said I moderated anything alone, but again, you choose to understand things as you will. I have currently recruited the other moderation folks to peruse this, to see if I am out of line. And I trust they will. Again, I don\'t owe that to you, as I am capable of handling it myself.

My point being, (I will reiterate it for you yet again) You are complaining in this very thread about someone who \'targets\' miniatures and votes \'1\'s\' on them. YET YOU DO THE SAME THING!!

I am very aware of that person, and believe me, I do not let every comment through. He\'s that right to vote a \'1\', as do you. Which you have been doing, and I have been \'accepting\' your comments, because none of them have \'crossed the line\' in my opinion.

Stop telling me I am \'overworked\' or will \'burn out\'. Again, you have no clue what you are talking about. I do not need your pity, assistance, clever thoughts, none of that. I\'ve managed to moderate here for several years without it.

You can have all the opinions you want, and I rarely step in. In fact, I encourage it, as you have brought up some very interesting debates.

THIS IS THE BIG PAYOFF>>>PLEASE READ THIS PARAGRAPH!!


There is a point when it becomes disruptive to the forums, and that is what I am trying to prevent. If you continue to disrupt it, I will have no choice but to delete your posts. If it does not stop, I WILL BAN YOU. If you feel that is an attack, that is fine. I am telling you it is consequences of YOUR ACTIONS.
 
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Shadzar

Guest
Originally posted by supervike
Its your choice to pick and choose and come to your own conclusions.

I will again restate what I said. If YOU choose to continue down the path of flame baiting (which you currently are doing with me, and you have done several other times already). I will begin to delete your threads. Why do you take that as an attack? It\'s your choice to do so. It\'s my CHARGE to take care of it.
yes i am picking a part to respond to because i think making things smaller sometimes help to explain them. above you can see where my view of an attack comes from.

you will delete my threads. proper moderation would see that offensive POSTS are removed, but you are threatening to delete entire threads created by me for no reason other than your own disliking of me.

i can see no other way to view this than that. maybe the first time you made a mistake and meant to say posts, but as it has happened more than once i figure it was no simple mistake.

when a moderator jsut takes to deleting someones thread then that is an attack from the moderator to the user based on personal bias.

do you see where i am coming from now?

now that i have that out of the way and hopefully have it explained i will go on to read the remainder of the quoted post.

if you still do not udnerstand how your statement came across as a threat, not as a moderating action then i do not know how to better explain it, but will try if you would like.

EDIT: the other parts of the thread

i don\'t target people or minis and vote 1. the things i vote 1 on are few and far between anything else. i have my voting system since none can be agreed upon for standard use so i use it. if that isnt right to do then a better voting guide should be here to give a baseline of what to vote on. i feel i have said this before...

i have little emotion in my critiques. the comments i leave that i have emotion about are usually the minis i am dumbfound by their brilliance. i see no reason for destructive criticisms. the comment i have left recently with 1 ratings (notice ratings on comments are not the same as votes and do NOT to my knowledge count in the current voting structure as a vote) are because i felt an explanation of my vote was due to the gallery owner. as the thread that was deleted so was the single image it described, but the other images form that user showing cosplay items or even the working weapon still exist. it makes me wondeer was that single image targeted to get me to shut up as you may or may not prefer from voicing my opinion or did the image really not belong here in the context of the site? and if so why do the other images remain. the artist has good painting and design skills, but do the non-minis belong was my point of reference for leaving the comments and my votes.

you are the only one i see having a fit over my critiques of the site moderation and keep claimg I, I, I rather than we. so it seemed you were the only person that had to handle it. no other moderator has made it known to my knowledge that they also handle the image activations or comment moderation. but i have seen lately you saying you do it. so without all the information a such as the moderator list on each forums herein one can only come to a conclusion based on the information they are given.

why not have a list of moderators that says who do what in with the statistics page so it doesn\'t appear to all be done by one person?

what you see is disruptive may have been the course as i stated above \"get thicker skin\". that comment is thrown around by people too often it seems. is the community made up of robots or humans? while the moderating staff needs to be a bit unbiased and thusly inhuman or uncompasionate in their work, should the other users no matter of seniority (length of time being a member) or post count be allowed to be rude and such just because of how long they have been here?

as the OP here pointed out in this (i now realize) aged thread is there a problem that may be seen by new users in the way they are treated? and it seems by his gallery that either the OP has got busy or possibly left because of the incident.

which would seem to be a problem the community has and why i mentioned above what may be seen as some as an elistist attitude. i would much rather see a place that can bring all together in painting rather than an elists atmosphere cause i am sick of those from LGS\'s to manufacturers, etc.

they boast how they want new people and want to make a good place, but in turn do the same thing to \"newbs\" (i still so hate that word).

oh well you are new so we will use this philosophy to get you up to speed and through you head first into the water and you will either sink or swim.

or

you are new so your opinon doesn\'t matter.

and those new people get time under their belts and in turn do it to new people because it was done to them.

this vicious cycle needs to end somewhere or there will never be a place where new users don\'t feel slighted and possibly unwelcome. and sadly this trend is getting worse with the growth of the internet and forums and communities in it.

does this addition here and the above better explain my stance on it?

none such that i was callign you out, as stated above, but you were the only one that responded in any way the way you did, so i was responding to your posts as i would any other user who showed a bit of civility and intelligence in their posts.

all be it this thread probably serves no further purpose i would suggest further discussion along theese lines be moved out of the forums software allows for it and mauybe into either general discussion as its own threads or even the suggestions/feedback forum.

not sure if that is a built in function or not but jsut a suggestion to prevent further semi-derailment of this thread and palce the focus back on the orignal topic rather than you and myself \"bickering\" for lack of a better word ATM.
 
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