Is miniature painting art????

Rodnik

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It\'s a rhetorical question---before you start slammin\' post around.....
This is simply a post for your enjoyment.

After reading this, I couldn\'t help but snicker at the number of debates we\'ve had on the topic....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=499240&in_page_id=1770
 

Talion

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What is art????

As squig said it\'s what you want it to be.

I can shit on the floor give it a stupid name and someone will call it art.

Miniature Painting is Creativity and Talent.

anyone can produce art, but not everyone can have our talent.
 

Roger Bunting

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I can shit on the floor give it a stupid name and someone will call it art.

Someone did do that at the university I attended, although before my time there. Apparently he had some people sitting in chairs in a circle, with sheets of paper in front of them. He then proceeded to take a dump on the paper.
 

Andusciassus

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I\'d say it veries. Both depending on the painters intention with the piece and with what the beholder puts into it.

I for one would like to make a difference between art as a form of communicating ideas or feelings and craftsmanship that\'s all about making something beautiful.
Kind of like the difference between an artist making his own personal stuff one day (art) and the next day doing illustrations for say some paperback novel (craftsmanship)

Then of course there\'s the more zen-like approach, saying everything done with high enough skill is art, the creating of the piece being the art...

But in most cases I think painting minis is more like craftsmanship.
 

Avelorn

Sven Jonsson
I like those paintings. I have one similar just above the computer made by my niece. :)

I saw one program on the TV about childrens paintings. They visited a class and one art critic said that he thought that many of them had their place in art museums because of creativity, use of colour etc. You could see how happy he was looking at them.

Art can be created by a 1 year old, and the value of the piece is determined \"by the market\". What is good and what is bad.. well that\'s another question. I have met artists that does very abstract things but still have a very down-to-earth mentality about it. The group of people I might have difficult dealing with are the art-critics... and the art-critics that paint themselves. Sometimes it just turns ridiculous.

And I don\'t think you have to be a good craftsman to be an artist... but you can of course be both.
 

Infidel Castro

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That elephant piece was genuinely half tidy!

I am not answering the rhetorical question as it is - indeed - a rhetorical question. See!
 

Gilvan Blight

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Every year the local arts council (Arts Council Windsor and Region http://www.mnsi.net/~acwr/) hosts a charity fund raiser event called Chair-ity in which local artist submit works for the home all following a theme. It\'s called Chair-ity as originally all that was to be submitted were chairs.

All of the submitted works are then put up for auction. Small items by silent auction and large items by the usual bidding format. There is always entertainment provided as well, the majority of which is the auctioneer who is always dressed up and played in character in tune with the theme.

This years event was Once upon a Chair and featured Fairy Tale Themes. The Auctioneer was the Big bad Wolf, and all submitted items had themes like Cinderella, Fairies, Rapunzel etc.

What does all this have to do with the op, I\'m getting there.

So at this years event there was a brewery full of people (Walkerville brewery hosted the event this year) bidding on this and that. It was a little too hot and not that comfortable and most items were going for the initial bid. Then this one chair came up. It was a rapunzel piece. It had a rendition of rapunzel on the back with her hair going down the back of the chair, twisting through all the back posts, around the arms and eventually down the legs. It was a great piece for the theme, but not something I was interested in.

There were two women in the crowd though that went nuts over the item. The were both dressed to the nines and probably belonged to the Windsor elite (of which I know pretty much nothing). They bid back and forth fuiously on this chair, with the price ending at something like $180 dollars. The woman who won beaming with pride at her newly one local art.

Then the big bad wolf (remember, the acutioneer) asked the Artist to stand up as this action beat the Humpty Hump (highest auction price so far that day). The artist was a 6-8 year old little girl.

Everyone applauded, everyone except the woman that just spent $180 on the chair. You had to see her face. You could just watch her break, like a mirror shattering in slow motion. I thought she was going to scream out or cry. Instead she just walked up to the cash, paid and noted she would pick up her art later and walked out. I took a quick glance at the other woman who was outbid and saw the bigest smile I had ever seen on her face and she was clapping like mad.

I have to admit I laughed out loud at that point. It was at a brewery though, so I think I can be forgiven.
 

Crackpot

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Great story. Really had to laugh! lol
But I don\'t get it... Where is the problem? I would have thought the lady bought the chair because she liked it and not to have an art work... So whats the deal who built it??? ???
 

Ritual

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Originally posted by Avelorn
... and the art-critics that paint themselves.
That can never be good, can it? I mean, since they *know* what is good art, they will try to paint so that they fulfill their own ideas of good art. Not the best starting-point, IMO.
 

Gilvan Blight

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Originally posted by Crackpot
Great story. Really had to laugh! lol
But I don\'t get it... Where is the problem? I would have thought the lady bought the chair because she liked it and not to have an art work... So whats the deal who built it??? ???

I\'m only taking a guess here, but I\'m guessing by the look of the woman bidding, the price the item sold for and the reaction at the end that both of these women were bidding on the chair as a status symbol. So they could have their \'friends over\' and show off the amazing work by an up and coming local artist. It was a steal at just under $200 etc.
 

Sand Rat

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Not sure - but this miniature is considered art -
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071206/ts_afp/entertainmentartusantiquityauction
 

matty1001

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Originally posted by steelcult
Not sure - but this miniature is considered art -
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071206/ts_afp/entertainmentartusantiquityauction

Thats pretty amazing IMO.
 

fieldarchy

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I actually thoroughly enjoyed the article and here\'s why. Every time I\'ve been to a modern art gallery and taken a look at the abstract art I always think that I can do what that artist did. It\'s just a matter of making a name for yourself and marketing your crap. Oh and add a little french name to it and voila! you have a best seller!

Seriously abstract art is stupid. Anyone can paint a canvas white and then put a red dot in the middle of it and call it art. Anyone can paint triangles in the corners of a square canvas and call it art.

To paint a 28mm person and try to make it look convincing is talent, is desire, is passion to create a small masterpiece!
 

Legacy Account

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Originally posted by fieldarchy

...I always think that I can do what that artist did. It\'s just a matter of making a name for yourself and marketing your crap. Oh and add a little french name to it and voila! you have a best seller!

Seriously abstract art is stupid. Anyone can paint a canvas white and then put a red dot in the middle of it and call it art. Anyone can paint triangles in the corners of a square canvas and call it art.

So do it if you think it\'s that easy! Fact is, most of the pieces of abstract/contemporary/conceptual art that become prized works end up that way because, surprise surprise, the artist was the first person to come up with the idea!! Abstract art is only as stupid as the person looking at it IMO.
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Those\'re by Fiona Rae. Tell me they aint cool? The pic doesn\'t do that second one justice - go and take a squiz in the Tate Modern if you get chance, it\'s fookin\' class.
 
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