Is my tutor a tit?
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funnymouth
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why not refer the \"tit\" to cmon, and some great works of miniature art. perhaps once he sees that there are people who consider it an art (a lot of us), and what can be done the medium he will redifine his conception of the word \"art.\"
I don\'t think it\'s because they don\'t think it\'s art... We studied artists that shoved bullwhips and bottles up other peoples %*&es and that was considered \"art\". Those of you who have some knowledge about the modern art world should know who I am talking about. Oh... Not to mention the guy that pissed on the crucifix as his way of connecting himself to God more.
darkartminiatures
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@Funnymouth: My tutors considers miniature painting as a low art, something that should be looked down on. I tried to show him some of the top ten on this site.......which he looked at for 1 second (no joke) and started talking about something completely different . I\'m with steelcut there funnymouth. Anything remotely fantasy/sci fi or even historical military references is a no,no.....unless its been done by a artist that is already successful (chapman brothers \'Disasters of war\') Then its okay in his eyes. Anyway I\'m going to see him again today.
@ EPSTUDIOS: Your tutor sounds worse than mine Theres are quit a few artists that have worked in a small scale that is openly accepted within the art world. Have a look at Raymond Masons \'illuminated crowd\' (small scale version), the above mentioned Chapman brothers \'disasters of war\', Alberto Giacometti\'s \'Piazza\',
Carlos Garaicoa \'Carta a los censores\' (Letter to the Censors) I\'m sure there are lots more examples of artists working in a small scale....how can your tutor dismiss these? Good luck
Oooooo maybe if i place a kebab on a table with two fried eggs he might like it.....Damn...thats been done already
Thanks again for everyones view on this matter. Please feel free to take this topic wherever you want to go with it.......*inviting disaster*
@ EPSTUDIOS: Your tutor sounds worse than mine
Theres are quit a few artists that have worked in a small scale that is openly accepted within the art world. Have a look at Raymond Masons \'illuminated crowd\' (small scale version), the above mentioned Chapman brothers \'disasters of war\', Alberto Giacometti\'s \'Piazza\', Carlos Garaicoa \'Carta a los censores\' (Letter to the Censors) I\'m sure there are lots more examples of artists working in a small scale....how can your tutor dismiss these?
Good luck Oooooo maybe if i place a kebab on a table with two fried eggs he might like it.....Damn...thats been done already
Thanks again for everyones view on this matter. Please feel free to take this topic wherever you want to go with it.......*inviting disaster*
Look, I can understand to an extent why miniature painting is looked upon as \"low art\" or as more of a skill or craft than an art. The great majority of it involves painting a figure that is produced by someone else. I mean, if I painted Michelangelo\'s \"David\" I wouldn\'t consider it art, no matter how well I painted it. Michelangelo did the hard part - creating the figure.
However, in your case DAM, that doesn\'t really apply, does it. You were sculpting figures, right? That, to me, should definately be considered Art.
However, in your case DAM, that doesn\'t really apply, does it. You were sculpting figures, right? That, to me, should definately be considered Art.
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orctrader
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Sounds like a twit. Probably had any last semblance of artistic talent drained out of him by strict adherence to the National Curriculum.
Remember,
Those who can, DO. Those who can\'t, TEACH.
(Unless it\'s Cindy of course, who could be the best art teacher in the world.) :innocent:
Remember,
Those who can, DO. Those who can\'t, TEACH.
(Unless it\'s Cindy of course, who could be the best art teacher in the world.) :innocent:
funnymouth
Active member
lol, flying monkeys huh steel....
anyhow, i couldnt disagree with you more dauber
if this guy wont respect the sculpting that you\'ve done, or our community of artists - than take it to a higher power - someone along the line will appreciate it (probably someone without formal artistic training ).
do a search on \"tiny sculpture\" and you will find many strange things indeed (e.g. Willard Wigan) many of which are considered legit \"hight society\" artforms. so its not the size....
many famous artworks depict war and military history.....
any many more depict fantasy...
people are prejudiced against mini art, specifically, for some reason.
anyhow, i couldnt disagree with you more dauber
if you painted david it would still be art - you would just be destroying another, completed artwork by a respected master. eg, if you painted over the mona lisa - your painting would still be art. any TRUE artist (not a lummox with a brush regurgitating what has already been done) would recognise a blank canvas - be it large or small, 2d, 3d, 4d or more, for what it is. subsects of the art community have been fighting this battle for years. is it graffiti, or a mural? is it noise, or is it rock and roll!
if this guy wont respect the sculpting that you\'ve done, or our community of artists - than take it to a higher power - someone along the line will appreciate it (probably someone without formal artistic training ).
do a search on \"tiny sculpture\" and you will find many strange things indeed (e.g. Willard Wigan) many of which are considered legit \"hight society\" artforms. so its not the size....
many famous artworks depict war and military history.....
any many more depict fantasy...
people are prejudiced against mini art, specifically, for some reason.
Sand Rat
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IMO its because it pushes the envelope in ways that traditionally trained \"arteest\" art teachers are not comfortable.
It is a somewhat realistic portrayal of people (not going into the whole moster thing here) - when we all know that modern art is not about realism, but about how outrageously you can sell yourself.
It is a somewhat realistic portrayal of people (not going into the whole moster thing here) - when we all know that modern art is not about realism, but about how outrageously you can sell yourself.
Check it out.. I was doing some browsing and found all of these sites on the art of Miniature painting.
http://www.miniature-art.com/
http://www.art-in-miniature.org/index.htm
http://home.earthlink.net/~jrobbhall/
http://www.miniaturemasterpieces.co.uk/
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0HMU/is_5_32/ai_n13698512
http://www.absolutearts.com/artsnews/2000/09/22/27478.html
http://www.miniatureartprints.com/
http://www.lathamstudios.com/
http://www.miniature-art.com/
http://www.art-in-miniature.org/index.htm
http://home.earthlink.net/~jrobbhall/
http://www.miniaturemasterpieces.co.uk/
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0HMU/is_5_32/ai_n13698512
http://www.absolutearts.com/artsnews/2000/09/22/27478.html
http://www.miniatureartprints.com/
http://www.lathamstudios.com/
darkartminiatures
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Whhhooaa steelcult....do you know my tutor? thats just uncanny.
EPS: You do have some good links there maybe you should approach your tutor and find out the reasons why he/she doesn\'t accept miniature art. I have been talking to other third year students and we have come up with the simple flaw that my tutor has.....he is totally biased in his interest of what he calls art. Personally i like surrealism aswell as alot of other forms but because he doesn\'t he dismisses it and never teaches anyone about it..... he hates surrealism. Its all about what he likes and that sucks....it really does. Its taken me three years to figure this out. This most mostly down to me accepting what he was saying for the first two but i feel that within that time i have grown as an artist with my own views. I\'m serioulsy thinking of making a complaint when i finnish as i don\'t want any of the other years to suffer like i have in terms of being guided down a path of my tutors divising rather than a path that explores everything.
Whats the name of the artist who sculpts things that fit on the head of a pin?
I listened to all your advice on the, painting them white thing and i have got to say that all of you AND my tutor was right. I painted them white yesterday and gave them a little grey wash. they do look more suitable and they help keep a link with the more traditional sculptures for people to relate to.
Thanks all
EPS: You do have some good links there maybe you should approach your tutor and find out the reasons why he/she doesn\'t accept miniature art. I have been talking to other third year students and we have come up with the simple flaw that my tutor has.....he is totally biased in his interest of what he calls art. Personally i like surrealism aswell as alot of other forms but because he doesn\'t he dismisses it and never teaches anyone about it..... he hates surrealism. Its all about what he likes and that sucks....it really does. Its taken me three years to figure this out. This most mostly down to me accepting what he was saying for the first two but i feel that within that time i have grown as an artist with my own views. I\'m serioulsy thinking of making a complaint when i finnish as i don\'t want any of the other years to suffer like i have in terms of being guided down a path of my tutors divising rather than a path that explores everything.
Whats the name of the artist who sculpts things that fit on the head of a pin?
I listened to all your advice on the, painting them white thing and i have got to say that all of you AND my tutor was right. I painted them white yesterday and gave them a little grey wash. they do look more suitable and they help keep a link with the more traditional sculptures for people to relate to.
Thanks all
Sand Rat
New member
Know your tutor? No.
Know way to many stereotypical superior Arteest Types who sneer at anything that doesn\'t push the envelope in the way that they think it should? Hell yeah.
Thats one of the reasons I refer to my self as a photographic hack, not an artist, or a professional photographer. Its also why I may just skip going back to school for my Masters and set up a studio - I really dont want to have to deal with that particular set of asshats who inhabit the artistic instructional world. The proof will be in my ability to sell my work, not vomit something up upon command that the powers that be deem worthy of their attention.
Good Gods, I sound a bit bitter there, don\'t I?lol
Know way to many stereotypical superior Arteest Types who sneer at anything that doesn\'t push the envelope in the way that they think it should? Hell yeah.
Thats one of the reasons I refer to my self as a photographic hack, not an artist, or a professional photographer. Its also why I may just skip going back to school for my Masters and set up a studio - I really dont want to have to deal with that particular set of asshats who inhabit the artistic instructional world. The proof will be in my ability to sell my work, not vomit something up upon command that the powers that be deem worthy of their attention.
Good Gods, I sound a bit bitter there, don\'t I?lol
darkartminiatures
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You sound how i feel
And those who can\'t do either become critics!
dougaderly
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Originally posted by steelcult
Well, like they say - them that can do, and them that cant teach.
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And those who can\'t do either become critics!
which is why I vote so regularly here!
Originally posted by steelcult
Well, like they say - them that can do, and them that cant teach.
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And those who can\'t do either become critics!
which is why I vote so regularly here!
Wren
Member
I think it\'s worth you considering that. It\'s one thing for him to not be so open to a niche and fairly unknown artform. But as a student of a subject I would expect any good teacher to give me at least a basic grounding in all the major areas of that subject, regardless of his personal likes and dislikes.
