Its the end of an era.

DaN

New member
Don\'t really know all that much ABOUT \'em, but I reckon most people here will have at least HEARD of Tower records! :p :( Shame

Great sign off though:

The founder of Tower Records sent out a note to his workers. It simply read: \"The fat lady has sung. She was off-key. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.\"
 

demonherald

New member
shame they\'re a cool store ..defintely a sign of the times..I can\'t remember the last time I bought an album in a store...:redface:
 

MPJ

New member
Business like this are bound by their times and there time is up. It happens, had to eventually. There arn\'t a lot of \'buggy whip\' shops around anymore either but is this a bad thing? It\'s mostly us older people who look back with nostalgia that miss these things but times progress.

As for the founder\'s statement... Well that\'s rather pompus and cavallier towards the 3000ish employees that are losing their jobs. Easy for him to come out with such a witty send off, I\'m sure he\'s doing OK in the cash department.
 

philologus

Subgenius
Originally posted by supervike
Maybe it was the fact they were selling CDs for 20 bucks a pop.

:flame:

Or the fact that most CD\'s now have 1 or 2 decent tunes and the rest is utter crap filler.
 

supervike

Super Moderator
Exactly! I won\'t shed a tear for these types of stores going under. I hate to see people lose jobs, that\'s for sure, but these stores greed went a long way in folks wanting to use online services.

Slit their own throats, I think.
 

philologus

Subgenius
Originally posted by supervike
Exactly! I won\'t shed a tear for these types of stores going under. I hate to see people lose jobs, that\'s for sure, but these stores greed went a long way in folks wanting to use online services.

Slit their own throats, I think.

Right, if you produce an inferior product (i.e. 18 crappy songs, 1 good one) people will find another product. I don\'t promote illegal music acquisition, but if the majority of consumers dislike the bulk of your work then you will go out of business unless you alter the packaging (cheap singles of only good songs) or polish your skill set, or find another business. I loathe musicians who complain about theft of IP while churning out crummy music.
 

supervike

Super Moderator
Originally posted by philologus
I loathe musicians who complain about theft of IP while churning out crummy music.


I had \'Napster\' back when it was illegal. Hell, I didn\'t know. But, I downloaded several songs from bands I hadn\'t heard of, and bought their albums if I liked it. I seriously doubt I would do that today.

Speaking of which, what made Napster illegal anyhow? Just a group of friends sharing music. What is wrong with that? No money ever changed hands.
 

Torn blue sky

New member
The corperate music scene went all GW on everyones ass. Thats what happened :)

Funny enough one of my buds just played Tower Records in Japan! lol Wait till I tell \'m :twisted:
 

hakoMike

Active member
I never spent much time at the Tower records around here... there were cooler record stores to go when I was interested in going. Tower always seemed kind of ... \"corporate\" compared to the local shops. I have neither been in a record store nor used the word \"corporate\" as a term of contempt for years now.
Originally posted by supervike
Originally posted by philologus
I loathe musicians who complain about theft of IP while churning out crummy music.
I had \'Napster\' back when it was illegal. Hell, I didn\'t know. But, I downloaded several songs from bands I hadn\'t heard of, and bought their albums if I liked it. I seriously doubt I would do that today.

Speaking of which, what made Napster illegal anyhow? Just a group of friends sharing music. What is wrong with that? No money ever changed hands.
Money changing hands isn\'t necessary for illegality. I found that I did not purchase as much music during the napster era, since I had a ready source for just about anything I wanted to listen to.... sort of like radio on demand.

In the 80\'s we all had those dual-cassette decks, but the quality of the copies was lower than the original, they took quite a while to make (fastest I remember was 3x speed) and the availability was limited to your circle of friends. p2p had database indexed searches, was blazingly fast if you had a fat pipe and the quality was only limited by the person who ripped the mp3 in the first place.

If there was a piece of software that made fully formed minis fall out of your computer for free, people would both acquire more and buy considerably fewer than having to pay per figure. That was my experience with free music anyway. What I don\'t accept is the RIAA\'s claims of how much money was lost... people downloaded 50x or 100x more music than they would have bought because they could. Equating each downloaded song with a lost sale shows an epic lack of understanding for the real issues at hand.

I\'m a lot more reliable about paying the cable tv bill than contributing to public television.
 

supervike

Super Moderator
Originally posted by hakoMike
Equating each downloaded song with a lost sale shows an epic lack of understanding for the real issues at hand.

That is a very good point. Most of the songs I downloaded I would have never bought anyhow. So they really lost no money from me. It was basically just free airplay for them.
 

philologus

Subgenius
Originally posted by supervike
Originally posted by hakoMike
Equating each downloaded song with a lost sale shows an epic lack of understanding for the real issues at hand.

That is a very good point. Most of the songs I downloaded I would have never bought anyhow. So they really lost no money from me. It was basically just free airplay for them.

I just want to make clear: I have never downloaded any music, illegal or legal. I just don\'t need it that badly. My beef was against \"artists\" (who in the past would have been the ones complaining about \"sell-outs, and \"artistic integrity\" as though they had no concern for the market) complaining about IP theft. Particularaly when they suck for the most part.
 

Torn blue sky

New member
No matty, I just think you were a pirate in a past life. I BET you\'d still download \'em if you were filthy rich, It\'s the thrill isn\'t it!

Ooh suits you sir!
 

matty1001

New member
*Mumble, mumble, grumble, harugh, mumble,* Well possibly why not, *Mumble, mumble, grumble, harugh, mumble,* But with the log at the time *Mumble, mumble, grumble, harugh, mumble,* But i was VERY, VERY drunk!
 

hakoMike

Active member
Originally posted by philologus
I just want to make clear: I have never downloaded any music, illegal or legal. I just don\'t need it that badly. My beef was against \"artists\" (who in the past would have been the ones complaining about \"sell-outs, and \"artistic integrity\" as though they had no concern for the market) complaining about IP theft. Particularaly when they suck for the most part.
Great point. I remember the loudest voice was the ones in the money stream: the publishers and the RIAA. Singer/songwriter Janis Ian had some great thoughts on the subject during the debate. I used to get quite a kick out of her ability to cut through the crap.
 

Ogrebane

Active member
It is the sign of the times and also that the music industry has lost touch with its public. I think the internet is bringing it back by letting people sample music before they buy it. I think if any one in the music industry wants to survive in this day and age they are going to have to get back to thier roots which are the fan base that buy the music. I think becuase we have so much choice now we are reluctant to spend our doe on crap. Sorry the 3000 people lost thier jobs but as some one said thier are no buggy whip stores anymore. I hate the music industry as it is today bring back the 60s and 70s I say.
 
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