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Lone Lemming
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Thank you guys, very much!
Chaotic Creations
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Oh wow, for some reason I totally missed your unveiling of the chaos lord??? That looks sensational man, and the freehand wowsers, what a magnificent effect!!! (I was really intrigued watching that progress). You should be very proud of that little guy, it turned out fantastic, and congratulations on the medal... rightly deserved!!! Well done...
Coyotebreaks
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nice one LL, well done on the comps. I like how the background design matches the colours of peter pan. cool idea.
The finished chaos lord is cool also, nice work
The finished chaos lord is cool also, nice work
Lone Lemming
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Thanks, guys!
Teronus, I do not really understand what do you mean with this post.
BTW seeing this pole on Karol Rudyk's mini, seems that I am not the only one with issues painting those.
Teronus, I do not really understand what do you mean with this post.
BTW seeing this pole on Karol Rudyk's mini, seems that I am not the only one with issues painting those.
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My mistake.... I had 2 browser open, you can discard. I was going to post in Mally's wip... <==== NOOB
BloodASmedium
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IMHO that model is perfectly painted pole to toe. Rough streaks are part of the weathering at the smaller level. Honestly I could blow up anything and see uneven parts and places not so smooth. Realistic painters tend to be on the messier side, it’s part of the style Obviously all the judges either overlooked it (highly improbable I would guess) or he sold it hook line and sinker. It is Karol after all.
btw it looks lieyour pole is well painted as well. If you have an issue , I def cannot tell.
btw it looks lieyour pole is well painted as well. If you have an issue , I def cannot tell.
Lone Lemming
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TBH I checked a lot of poles, seems that I found a method to paint them (they were repainted after all, thanks to MAXXxxx's advice).
I just feel that this can be the difference a silver and a golden GD. No offense, I would like to be tenth as good painter as Karol, I just noticed his mini with pole, on an image Tero pasted here
I just feel that this can be the difference a silver and a golden GD. No offense, I would like to be tenth as good painter as Karol, I just noticed his mini with pole, on an image Tero pasted here
I would like to be tenth as good painter as Karol
I wish I was a tenth as good as John Blanche... Karol is first of all a fantastic drawing artist, that's why his painting looks so great.
BloodASmedium
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It’s actually one of my favorite all time pieces . Yeah the point I try to encourage all artists is keep a open mind with all the diff styles out now. There is a ton of them. All have had their fair share of winning in the competetive scene of miniature painting. What tends to happen is the more your able to see and recognise these styles the things start seeing as deliberate details as opposed to perfect lines etc etc. All are cool. Ide say if your going for comic style , nmm etc then yes you HAVE TO have smooth gradients and clean lines etc. TMM and realism ( jarhead , John Blanche , myself ( I donot belong in the same sentence with these names but just for by way of comparison) tend to be much more liberal with the brush and how Perfect these things are executed. It actually adds to the overall realism of the piece. It back i your model lovely piece ,the neatness has to be there or else the non metallic metallics wouldn’t come across as believable. Now there are few who merge both styles. Does it work well . There are those who don’t achieve great results and those who do. It’s really a bit of playing around with things. Parting thought when I paint even though zeniths lighting is big with. Judges - I tend to use both a combo of zenithal lighting and general lighting . There are many pros who’ve done this and still do so ODST. The point anything even seemingly small mistakes if pulled off correctly it becomes part of the believability of the piece.
Lone Lemming
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Yes, I know, I am not good enough to fuck smoothness, but I beginning to recognize whether other fucks it correctly
I am more like a bottom-up guy, like to refine my basic skills, then going upwards.
That's one of my problems, seems that I have the skill to win something on the Hungarian competition, but I need to improve, and I do not really know where. The direction is somewhere in the composition, as I am not 100% happy with the color harmony of the Chaos Lord.
Other one is the female skin, but as my daughter commented the breast of the Nuts Planet Seiren, I do not know when will I do it
I am more like a bottom-up guy, like to refine my basic skills, then going upwards.
That's one of my problems, seems that I have the skill to win something on the Hungarian competition, but I need to improve, and I do not really know where. The direction is somewhere in the composition, as I am not 100% happy with the color harmony of the Chaos Lord.
Other one is the female skin, but as my daughter commented the breast of the Nuts Planet Seiren, I do not know when will I do it
MAXXxxx
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sorry, but you won't find many things here that would help. Most of the forums are showing minis and getting cheered on. Advice or Critique are very rare.
composition != color harmony.
on the lord the colors are not bad imho. I'd have made the gold more orangey. This yellow stands out, and somehow has a greenish tinge to it, that's not the best for color harmony. Was it shaded with black? That would explain it, as most blacks are really just very dark blues.
And the cape could have been a muted blue, but I like to dull most of the colors even in fantasy minis, where they are painted vivid most of the time.
As for composition it's ok. Mostly a vertical line (because of the flag) with a bit of sideways diagonal because of the sword/arm. But that's the figure itself. Maybe could have been balanced with a small tree on the left side to stop that sideways direction.
What I can suggest:
- painting workshops from Jarhead / Ben Komets . They are not that expensive even with the travel expenses. While you attend the family could go around in Augsburg/Berlin. Jarheads beginner (for compositions) or basing are the best for this (OSL , speed paint, zombie ones not so much)
- MiG FAQ2 (diorama part at the end of the book), MiG Diorama FAQ (has quite a bit on composition), other books (from scale modelling, not fantasy/scifi ones) on dioramas/vignettes
how??? you have the reference you need (wife, daugther, friends, even google helps out with ref. photoes)
but in general you use more red in the skintone and less contrast. Then again you can go pretty extreme in contrast: Elf Princess
Also some vids on figurines-tv (they are mostly in french/spanish, but seeing it still help understand)
- Pepa Saavedra - Cleopatra
- Delphine Agnello - Female Face
- Julio Cabos - Pinup
- Marion Ball - Face (altough not female, but still help in skintones)
- Mathieu Lalain - Fianna skin with acrylics
or you could just play around like I do.
(for example the shieldmaiden in my gallery: mix of flesh colors as base, highlighted with pastel blues(instead of the usual light flesh/ivory) , shaded with pastels instead of paints)
BloodASmedium
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Here’s what I tell studdents
These are some basic things that one should keep in mind when trying to get better.
5 layers of contrast - the more of these you use on a model the more pleasurable it will be to the viewer. It’s readability and pop will be at its peak.
The layers 1) dark vs light (eg dark leather wrist guards vs light fleshtones)
2) complimentary colors(eg let’s say shading red with green)
3) cool vs warm tones ( reds and blues in a models face has become standard practice)
4) gloss vs Matt (eg armor vs cloth)
5) texture(example worn leather)
ive told you now about things every model should try to have another thing is the Bible of color theory that all of us use it’s called ... COLOR THEORY BY BETTY EDWARDS. it has plenty of excercises to get you broken in to color theory in an easy friendly manner.it will have you picking your colors on the fly based on which work together visually and start to move away from basic recipes from articles and such. This is what I would focus on it just plain needs to be learned to have yourself become a better more well rounded artists. All the other talents you have plenty of. When folks tell me they really do not know what needs to get better and what they need to do to get there this personal algorithm helped myself and many others that have said the same thing. Now go get your book bud.and by all means keep up the lovely work your doing.
ps another thing you can find helpful is to enter above the amateur category as I think your def waaay more advanced than that lemming
These are some basic things that one should keep in mind when trying to get better.
5 layers of contrast - the more of these you use on a model the more pleasurable it will be to the viewer. It’s readability and pop will be at its peak.
The layers 1) dark vs light (eg dark leather wrist guards vs light fleshtones)
2) complimentary colors(eg let’s say shading red with green)
3) cool vs warm tones ( reds and blues in a models face has become standard practice)
4) gloss vs Matt (eg armor vs cloth)
5) texture(example worn leather)
ive told you now about things every model should try to have another thing is the Bible of color theory that all of us use it’s called ... COLOR THEORY BY BETTY EDWARDS. it has plenty of excercises to get you broken in to color theory in an easy friendly manner.it will have you picking your colors on the fly based on which work together visually and start to move away from basic recipes from articles and such. This is what I would focus on it just plain needs to be learned to have yourself become a better more well rounded artists. All the other talents you have plenty of. When folks tell me they really do not know what needs to get better and what they need to do to get there this personal algorithm helped myself and many others that have said the same thing. Now go get your book bud.and by all means keep up the lovely work your doing.
ps another thing you can find helpful is to enter above the amateur category as I think your def waaay more advanced than that lemming
MAXXxxx
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6. Saturation (muted vs strong colors, for example LL's blue cloak vs similar in grey with a bit of blue mixed in)
7. Brilliance / Luminance (size of highlights, mostly visible in Metals/gems vs Skin/cloth)
(http://5-th-dimension.blogspot.de/2013/06/contrast.html)
I see "open" category in LL's post. In the GD-hu that's for people above the amateur category. It is NOT a GW official event, so other games (WM/Infinity/Malifux/etc) are there as well, and the painting competition structure is also different (also most entries are from players, not a pro-painter centered competition)ps another thing you can find helpful is to enter above the amateur category as I think your def waaay more advanced than that lemming
Basically the categories are like this:
6 amateur categories (pros are restricted from entering here, so mostly TTQs from players and some super pieces from new people): fantasy hero, fantasy unit, scifi hero, scifi unit, monster, vehicle
6 open categories(open for everyone): characters, units, monsters and vehicles, army, diorama, non 28mm scale (mostly 54mm+ and busts)
2 special categories: judge (per popular vote from people at the event), young (under 14year olds)
Lone Lemming
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I do not expect help, I only document my work
Sorry, I meant color composition.
There is a sea in front of the mini, and I planned green grass first, so the bluish tinge is somewhat intentional.
But the next time I really need to sketch on paper the colors I plan to use.
Blue + Black.
The inside is, I just wished to give a frame to the mini, and I found only the light bluish-grayish color appropriate.
IRL the back is not out of place, but I really cannot say exactly why. It is definitely darker than the metals, and gives contrast to them.
Or some spear or arrow in the ground.
The problem is my 4yo and that we are buying a new house right now. Maybe 2 years later...
Last time Ainariël was not so successful, so under-clothed girls got on my backlog.
I have seen some tutorial, but I need to practice to find the appropriate contrasts and colors.And thank you very much for all the insights and help!
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Ahh I see now . I’m really talking about 5 layers of miniature painting taught strictly by meg maples and agent venom. 5 is what simply works . After that it’s kind of moot. But it’s art and others can pretty much bring all sorts of things into it. Dark vs light can relate to saturation. Which usually saturated and desaturated in my teaching through jarhead are kind of hard to get to look right. Brilliance can be grouped with gloss vs Matt. At least from what I was taught it can. Which is why meg(former privateer press painter) / and her husband slayer sword winner Marc solen (agent venom)have boiled it down to five.the . Plus 5 is what people grasp. Now I’m not saying don’t exhaust everything as miniature painting is an art. It’s really just I’ve seen much success with these 5 key points. My fault on the golden gobbo I thought it was a gamesday type set up. I think it’s very cool that other models from companies can be entered.
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Lone Lemming
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BAM,
I was somewhat remembering these rules and was tried to adhere them, especially the "more contrast!" mantra
IMHO the most important areas to improve on the Chaos Lord would be to harmonize better the colors of the banner and the skull on the top, and putting more focus/highlight on the face and the banner, otherwise it is definitely level-up compared to my previous minis.
No nude females here, but I found a third area to improve, I need to learn how to modulate my colors, and only one of them is modulating the face with cold and dark colors, it should be used on all the mini, even all the surroundings, too.
After last year I was not allowed into amateur, only open (as MAXXxxx said, not amateurs can compete here) category
If you are interested here are the (not so successfully taken) photos: https://www.facebook.com/pg/hammertimecafe/photos/?tab=album&album_id=583629098635140, original photos here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Z6ttcyXyckDPfv_7Up-NnQxFpqIsukfT
I think I have a lot to think about now, and a lot of practicing, too.
Thank you for your kind words!
I was somewhat remembering these rules and was tried to adhere them, especially the "more contrast!" mantra
IMHO the most important areas to improve on the Chaos Lord would be to harmonize better the colors of the banner and the skull on the top, and putting more focus/highlight on the face and the banner, otherwise it is definitely level-up compared to my previous minis.
No nude females here, but I found a third area to improve, I need to learn how to modulate my colors, and only one of them is modulating the face with cold and dark colors, it should be used on all the mini, even all the surroundings, too.
After last year I was not allowed into amateur, only open (as MAXXxxx said, not amateurs can compete here) category
If you are interested here are the (not so successfully taken) photos: https://www.facebook.com/pg/hammertimecafe/photos/?tab=album&album_id=583629098635140, original photos here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Z6ttcyXyckDPfv_7Up-NnQxFpqIsukfT
I think I have a lot to think about now, and a lot of practicing, too.
Thank you for your kind words!
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You go get em lemming - you know better than anybody what you need and what to try out to attain the next step in your already fine painting. I thank you for openly taking into acct my advice and if there is anything I can do to answer any questions I’ll always try my best to do so. I know you will do the same for any questions I have about how to attain the beautiful effects and results on your models.
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