ellis_esquire
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Hi new member here! Ive posted up sone of my Deathwing warriors - feel like im reaching a bit of a plateu in terms of improving - can anyone offer some next level advice?Thanks all
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Einion
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Hiya, welcome to the forums. This is just the first thing that came into mind but: slow down.
Looks like you have a decent grasp of what the paint can do, colour, putting paint where you want it without untidy edges. Just by slowing down and taking more time over your work I'm sure you'd see your output go up a notch.
Some other things I'd suggest looking at are layering/glazing and weathering.
Einion
Looks like you have a decent grasp of what the paint can do, colour, putting paint where you want it without untidy edges. Just by slowing down and taking more time over your work I'm sure you'd see your output go up a notch.
Some other things I'd suggest looking at are layering/glazing and weathering.
Einion
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Next plateau ? Look pretty good to me where you are now, but some do want to
move on.
I would think stop the black lining and use wash layers/glazing and blending maybe, not that I am any good at it.
I used to use the black lining technique sometime back, left painting and on returning stopped doing it.
Also you could try some NMM (Non Metallic Metal ) if you like that sort of thing, personally I do not.
Then there is OSL (Object Source Lighting)
I have a question for you - How was the writing on the banner done ?
Next plateau ? Look pretty good to me where you are now, but some do want to
move on.
I would think stop the black lining and use wash layers/glazing and blending maybe, not that I am any good at it.
I used to use the black lining technique sometime back, left painting and on returning stopped doing it.
Also you could try some NMM (Non Metallic Metal ) if you like that sort of thing, personally I do not.
Then there is OSL (Object Source Lighting)
I have a question for you - How was the writing on the banner done ?
ellis_esquire
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thanks
@ Einon - Thank you for the slow down comment. I have indeed been rushing this year but have now completed my 15 deathwing warrior army. im quite amazed by your intuition that nailed this so psychically. What gave my rush away specifically?When you say weathering, are you talking about powders as well as chips/battle damage?Layering and glazing I do already but could work some more layers in I suppose.@ Chris S - Similalry thank you for the advice. Yes black lines has been a theme of my deathwing and although making some contrasting areas really clear Im starting to feel are a bit 'cartoony' compared to my greenwing.Writing on banner is good old FW document. Im not keen on NMM eaither but have played with it. Love OSL though.Heres a greenwing for comparison of my techniques:
@ Einon - Thank you for the slow down comment. I have indeed been rushing this year but have now completed my 15 deathwing warrior army. im quite amazed by your intuition that nailed this so psychically. What gave my rush away specifically?When you say weathering, are you talking about powders as well as chips/battle damage?Layering and glazing I do already but could work some more layers in I suppose.@ Chris S - Similalry thank you for the advice. Yes black lines has been a theme of my deathwing and although making some contrasting areas really clear Im starting to feel are a bit 'cartoony' compared to my greenwing.Writing on banner is good old FW document. Im not keen on NMM eaither but have played with it. Love OSL though.Heres a greenwing for comparison of my techniques:
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ellis_esquire
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Einion
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No psychic powers necessary I assure you, obvious if you know what to look for :glasses-cool: To be clear though, it doesn't look rushed, just that you can see signs of faster painting techniques being used - like an overall wash, rather than carefully-applied shadowing which looks smooth, even and neater. Much the same deal if there were a lot of drybrushing, which is a technique that gives fast results but not the best results.ellis_esquire said:
Besides, needing to slow down is probably the commonest single thing that people need to do past a certain point. A lot of the basic techniques are intended to produce 'nice' results quickly, for army production, but for high-end display paintjobs nearly everything needs to be done differently since things need to look good up close, not at a distance on the tabletop.
Einion
BPI
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Following on from Einion, improved blending. Simplest way to put it that I can think of is that I should be able to look at your work and not see any brushstrokes. At the moment they're visible. I think that's the big gap to bridge for a step up.
It's nice army painting though and I'm not sure I'd bother doing any more if you actually want to play with a fully painted force. I assume that these would get low 7s in the Gallery. Do you want to nudge that up half a point on everything? Slow down a bit and push the bolder techniques such as chipping, OSL, etc. Or do you aspire to high 8s & 9s. In which case pick a nice model, design a bigger than gaming base and set to with a sensible deadline in mind, such as 3 months and spend a few hours a week on it amongst the army painting. Post that, see where it scores and what feedback you get and by next GD you should have a nice piece to enter
That text transfer could really do with some blending too, it's far too sharply defined compared to the rest of the mini. Have you used micro-sol on it? I can still see some edges but have little experience with water-slides so can't really tell
Oh, and welcome to the forum :good:
Cheers, B.
It's nice army painting though and I'm not sure I'd bother doing any more if you actually want to play with a fully painted force. I assume that these would get low 7s in the Gallery. Do you want to nudge that up half a point on everything? Slow down a bit and push the bolder techniques such as chipping, OSL, etc. Or do you aspire to high 8s & 9s. In which case pick a nice model, design a bigger than gaming base and set to with a sensible deadline in mind, such as 3 months and spend a few hours a week on it amongst the army painting. Post that, see where it scores and what feedback you get and by next GD you should have a nice piece to enter
That text transfer could really do with some blending too, it's far too sharply defined compared to the rest of the mini. Have you used micro-sol on it? I can still see some edges but have little experience with water-slides so can't really tell
Oh, and welcome to the forum :good:
Cheers, B.
flashmanfe
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What is FW document? By the way nice paint jobs on the minies and good camera work as well.
Einion
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Sorry, forgot to answer these bits:
Einion
Not a particular technique, just weathering in general - chipping, scratches, worn paint, dirt, grime, mud etc.ellis_esquire said:
Need to use unload the brush more then - should be damp, not wet so the paint goes exactly where you want and there's no pooling.ellis_esquire said:
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ellis_esquire
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Hi - Thank you all for your continued help.@BPI - thats some of the most honest feedback ive ever received. Really appreicaited. I like how you put "Bolder" techniques because when ive tried a couple of chippings i ruin my work and this fear has prevented me from going further. yes I do want to nudge u so im taking waht you say very seriously here!Transfers are cool - but Ive just bought the Microsol and am yet yo play with it. Again new territory for me.Bases are also something Im scared to really go for also. You liek Einion, also say slow down so i think now my 1500 DA is done ill be slowing a lot as i was always a painter first and only played 40K this year.And thanks for the welcome!@Einion - Thank you again - Are you a painting assessor becasue Im really surprised how you jusdged my 'overall wash' technique so accurately - Were you in my cupboard whilst i paint? Just last night I experiemented with some more selective washing and a little "zenith" effect? I must say I loved the look of this directional lighting and feel my painting has received a boost from just this posts helpers - so real glad Ive come onto CMON! GD 2012 here we come!Im going to play more with weathering.@flashmanfe - Sorry for the typo - that was meant to say FW decal/Transfer set.
ellis_esquire
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Noticing a lot of high end effects with airbrushes too - wondered what people think?
Noticing a lot of high end effects with airbrushes too - wondered what people think?
ellis_esquire
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OK all - have attempted to use some of the techniques mentioned above so thanks to all. Heres the result. I havent found this a particualrly inspiring model to paint but would love feedback on it all the same.
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OK all - have attempted to use some of the techniques mentioned above so thanks to all. Heres the result. I havent found this a particualrly inspiring model to paint but would love feedback on it all the same.
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Jbickley00
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Enion is right. Slow down. I think overall washes and drybrushing can produce some fantastic results, but you have to know when and how to use them. I use an overally wash to tone my deep shadowing, but then I carefully layer up my highlights and wet blend almost every transition. I also underpaint and glaze a lot, and I tend to drybrush my underpainting. the thing is, there is a big difference between spending two hours on a mini, and ten hours. there is also a bid difference between speding ten hours and fifty hours or more.
ellis_esquire
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C&C welcome
C&C welcome
me_in_japan
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That's looking very nice indeed. Definitely an improvement on your earlier work, although as a vehicle you've obviously used different techniques on it than you would with the infantry. Still, looks very nice to me. I especially like the weathering and shading on the bone coloured armour.
