new white dwarf article, NMM HATE

Ebonbuddha

Ebonbuddha

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Actually it is not ridiculous. Miniatures are 3D and paitings are 2D.

Originally posted by THuff
The whole 2d vs 3d argument is ridiculous. Minis are too small to get accurate reflections that would allow some of the things we see when looking at items or scenes that are full size. A true sky-earth reflection could never be realized using metallic paints, but in reality is a true effect on a metallic surface.
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What is the big deal?!?! Its the same thing that you\'d read in any forum.Its one guys opinion. This is just a lot of people overreacting about nothing.

You act like this guy\'s opinion is going to stop NMM from being popular and make you paint in metallics.

Geez. I\'m defending GW. I feel dirty. So, this is what happens when you stop drinking beer.lol

Originally posted by THuff
It never ceases to amaze me that a company which requires painting to compete with their figures and holds competitions based completely on painting would actually print an article that takes a shot at a specific style.

-Terry
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DarkStar

DarkStar

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My message to the author is \"Hello, the year 2003 is on the phone, they want their argument back.\"

GW letting that sort of one sidedness be printed in their publication only means one thing...their sales of metallic paints are flagging and they need to try and sway public opinion to increase sales of their surplus product.
 
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kow-lown

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Well... sure NMM was made for canvas at the begining..
As sure as my mini with basecoat only looks shaded and highlighted... should i give up miniature painting then?

Try to see far... Isn\'t NMM an artistic way of painting miniatures? It gives style to the miniature as well as doing great metalics...

This article was bullshit btw... wish i could have this US white dwarf just to laugh at it in france ;)
 
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jean_genie

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I think the \'industry leader\' comment has more to do with it than \'poor metallic paint sales.\' For every pot of gold they don\'t sell, they probably sell a brown, a white, and a yellow-ish colour.

Rackham, along with a lot of the fantastic new companies like Crocodile and Warmachine (what\'s their name again?) all employ absolutely breathtaking painters, and most of them paint in NMM. The Warmachine guys don\'t do it exclusively, but I\'ve seen a lot done that way. GW often does \'shiny parts\' like reds and blues in psuedo-NMM, but most of their actual golds and silvers are metallics. I think they\'re attempting to convince people that they\'re doing it the \'right\' way, and these companies \'pushing\' NMM are unethical heathens, just waiting to hop on the next fad.

And yes, I am fully aware it was an opinion column. It was also pretty inflammatory though, and GW is a very conservative company; if they let that article through, it was because they wanted someone to say that. They may not want ALL people to stop doing NMM, but they definitely want all the n00b gamers of the world to see GW as \'the correct company\'. I don\'t exactly think they\'re the sort of company that would encourage change for the sake of change.
 
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paintingploddy

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The argument has been going on for years, there are enough examples in this forum of NMM v real metals debate. At the end of the day we are talking about how you paint toys. If someone disagrees with the way you do something they are entitled to their opinion, you\'re free to let them know why you disagree. At the end of the day they are your models, paint the way you want.
 
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^Wolfbane

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No surprise if GW is against NMM.. I was surprised when I saw a NMM article in a GW publication, the Complete Games Workshop Catalog and Hobby Reference 2004/05;
in the Empire section (pag. 610) you can read an article on \"painting reflective metal\" using non metallic paints. The reflective metal technique is a branch of the NMM technique if i\'m not wrong..
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darkartminiatures

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After finding this site i never saw any nmm or senmm so it ...well, blew me away. But after i have seen it so many times i feel that one is not better than the other. I think that some miniatures do cry out to use nmm but on the other hand i feel that some models would be best painted with metallics. It all depends on the subject....i feel anyway. ;) I think that GW use a nmm way of painting but with metallics anyway. Boltgun metal followed by chainmail then with a touch of mithril. Its all the same system (i think) just with a different paint. Mmmm infact, i wonder what senmm would look like with metallic paints? :idea: or should i say, just SE :)
 
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Minigrrrl

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people have been experimenting witrh that for ages, the closest and best examples are the spanish and french painters, like Nano and Allan C, they apply metalilic paint like you would use non metallic paints, looks pretty nifty :)
 
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Avicenna

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Originally posted by DarkStar
GW letting that sort of one sidedness be printed in their publication only means one thing...their sales of metallic paints are flagging and they need to try and sway public opinion to increase sales of their surplus product.
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you dont honestly believer that the sale of metallic paint is going to have much of an impact of GW\'s takings do you? If people dont buy the metallics they would actually have to buy a shed load of different greys, browns and yellows to produce a similar NMM effect (plus, how many army painters paint NMM?)... Thus spending more on paints...

Its just someone ranting about a technique he doesnt appreciate.

Oh, and its nice to see the GW bashers out in force again! You guys havent got together for what, a whole couple of posts?
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darkartminiatures

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Originally posted by Minigrrrl
people have been experimenting witrh that for ages, the closest and best examples are the spanish and french painters, like Nano and Allan C, they apply metalilic paint like you would use non metallic paints, looks pretty nifty :)
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Damn. Just when i thought i had an original idea :)

Yep, i think alot of users here don\'t like GW for whatever reasons (and thats their opinion) but i think all miniature companies have some things that people get annoyed with. But i agree, GW gets way too much stick, to the point of promoting having a dig at GW. :)
But whatever you do....don\'t have a go at reaper....... whoops
*whistles whilst walking away waiting for a brick to be thrown at me*

:innocent:
 
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Beelzebrush

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Who cares?

I tend to make my own mind up about the finish a figure gets. I don\'t need someone to do it for me. I like metallics and NMM equally. But I would argue that NMM is possibly more suitable. I find metallics are great to a degree but my only gripe is that the metal flakes in the paint are completely out of scale with the figure and don\'t give anything aproaching a realistic highlight or shadow. You still have to manipulate metallics, much like NMM to get close to reality.

I also think that saying NMM should be reserved for 2D as utter bollocks. Painterly effects have been employed forever in applied art and this is just an extension of that.

RLobinske anyone :D
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darkartminiatures

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It does seam odd though that GW are saying what they are saying, since they feature alot of nmm style painting in white dwarf.

Personally i think GW is a great company :innocent: that has grown rapidly over the years and caters for all ages and uses painting styles that a novice painter can comprehend and learn from. Okay i have a couple of things that annoy me but after buying from other companies i find that they have the same problems. if not worse in some ways.

Okay, who wants to hang me up and beat me with a big stick :flip:
 
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Ogrebane

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Easy is nice but are you cheap. Articles like this burn me up but then I get over it. I mean if someone wants to vent thier spleen let them. Im not sold on either metalics or NMM. Cant do NMM but its as valid a technique as drybrushing and washing. GW is a classic example of a good company now being run by the accountants. They will eventually implode on there own girth.
 
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