Albert Moreto Font
Member
it would make me go crazy having to wait so many days to know the results...
Oz Golden Demon underway.
- Thread starter Trevor
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Arjay
Member
I thought about entering this year then I found out about the format change... No way in hell I\'d trust a GW employee with anything I\'d put hours of work into... I wonder how many horror stories will emerge after it\'s all over with...
Does anyone know if this is just a trial or will it be the norm from now on?
Does anyone know if this is just a trial or will it be the norm from now on?
Unless its a dismal failure, I\'m guessing this will be the furture format.
As far as leaving the minis with them, I think it just changes what I would do, ie stronger more robust entries, but there is a worry there.
Arjay, Its a shame you didn\'t enter, you are one of the masters.
As far as leaving the minis with them, I think it just changes what I would do, ie stronger more robust entries, but there is a worry there.
Arjay, Its a shame you didn\'t enter, you are one of the masters.
paintingploddy
New member
There is some seriously good stuff at GW Chadstone. GW Highpoint had quantity, but I\'ll be surprised if there are any figures from there at Sydney (having seen Chadstone\'s effort). I second Trevor. Arjay you would be a shoe in for a swag of Demons. It would also shake up the crew that are used to winning the local comp.
Arjay
Member
A master-what is the question I think...
I don\'t think I\'d be a shoe in to win anything at all, I haven\'t seen too much of what\'s come out of the OZGDs in the past but what I have seen has been very nice - Victoria\'s attendence alone would always assure that. If they go back to the old format I\'d have a go but I\'m not too interested in this new format - it\'s too impersonal and too drawn out. And to be honest I\'m more interested in meeting other painters and seeing their work than competing and these Golden Demons aren\'t really designed for that (particularly if you\'re from one of the smaller states).
paintingploddy
New member
For years the trip to Sydney has stopped me going. I have long complained to many GW staff that I would enter if there was some way to do it locally. They have provided that chance (and lazy me almost didn\'t take it) so I can\'t complain now about the format. I believe that this is a great move especially for the Youngblood categories. Unfortunately, as Highpoint shows quantity of entries does not necessarily mean quality, and without the opportunity to meet the better painters and see their work I doubt there will be much improvement next year. I am looking forward to meeting some of the other entrants next Saturday though.
On the other hand I noticed this yesterday. It is one of the finalists from Chadstone. It looks very nice (if you can say that about Nurgle) in the metal so to speak.
http://www.coolminiornot.com/104046
On the other hand I noticed this yesterday. It is one of the finalists from Chadstone. It looks very nice (if you can say that about Nurgle) in the metal so to speak.
http://www.coolminiornot.com/104046
Yeah, I miss seeing the entries, couldn\'t even really see the entries at Sydney...
Actually thats a really good point, my first year entries in 2002 were awful, but it wasn\'t until I saw up close what I had to beat that I realised that and lifted my game. Automatic qualification for the first round is sooo not gonna help with that...
Actually thats a really good point, my first year entries in 2002 were awful, but it wasn\'t until I saw up close what I had to beat that I realised that and lifted my game. Automatic qualification for the first round is sooo not gonna help with that...
laurence
Brushlover
mishandling my mini
This is true regarding the whole great possibility that your entries may be lost or damaged by the GW staff or the transit people.
I entered one of my painted minis in the local in-store painting comp out at Mt Gravatt last year, and was shocked when I went to pick my mini up (3 hours later) at the amount of littlle chips off my paint that they\'d caused.
I remember almost trying to carefully grab my mini back off one of the staff doods because he kept putting his paws all over my painted dwarf. I mean c\'mon.. You only ever use the base of a painted mini to pick it up by.
Having said all of that. Life is full of risks.
This is true regarding the whole great possibility that your entries may be lost or damaged by the GW staff or the transit people.
I entered one of my painted minis in the local in-store painting comp out at Mt Gravatt last year, and was shocked when I went to pick my mini up (3 hours later) at the amount of littlle chips off my paint that they\'d caused.
I remember almost trying to carefully grab my mini back off one of the staff doods because he kept putting his paws all over my painted dwarf. I mean c\'mon.. You only ever use the base of a painted mini to pick it up by.
Having said all of that. Life is full of risks.
wereweevil
Member
well the format change this year has some pro\'s and con\'s, although overall i think it is good for the standard of competition.
one of my entries was scratched when i picked it upt from them at the end of the day, but it was nothing major, and not in a critical part of ther miniature (like the face or similar) it took all of two minutes to fix, and i expected worse to be honest.
i think that if we could get some of the painters here( who many people have never seen their work) in Oz to pull their fingers out and enter it would show Australia is not quite the \'weak link\' in world painting that some (particularly the French) would have everyone believe.
i know of several painters locally who did not bother entering for one reason or another, whose work is outstanding. Arjay, i put you in this category of people even entering one year just for the hell of it, would add to the level of quality we have to show.
I entered 9 categories and had all nine go through to the next round. As trevor mentioned, it could give you a false sense of security, but i know what level of competition to expect, and the fact that the best entry doesn\'t always win on the day, so i\'m not expecting miracles. I would be happy to walk away from Sydney with even *one* more to add to the collection! Of course it doesn\'t help when you just grab a couple things out of your 8 year old army and touch them up a bit then enter them, but the next round will sort the wheat from the chaff...
good luck everyone entering.
one of my entries was scratched when i picked it upt from them at the end of the day, but it was nothing major, and not in a critical part of ther miniature (like the face or similar) it took all of two minutes to fix, and i expected worse to be honest.
i think that if we could get some of the painters here( who many people have never seen their work) in Oz to pull their fingers out
and enter it would show Australia is not quite the \'weak link\' in world painting that some (particularly the French) would have everyone believe.i know of several painters locally who did not bother entering for one reason or another, whose work is outstanding. Arjay, i put you in this category of people
even entering one year just for the hell of it, would add to the level of quality we have to show.I entered 9 categories and had all nine go through to the next round. As trevor mentioned, it could give you a false sense of security, but i know what level of competition to expect, and the fact that the best entry doesn\'t always win on the day, so i\'m not expecting miracles. I would be happy to walk away from Sydney with even *one* more to add to the collection! Of course it doesn\'t help when you just grab a couple things out of your 8 year old army and touch them up a bit then enter them, but the next round will sort the wheat from the chaff...
good luck everyone entering.
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nosferatu
Guest
I picked up a silver demon a couple of years ago in the Open and made first cut in Fantasy large monster last year, but i\'m not competing this year. I have found the new rules and format very disappointing despite the positive aspects (ie. more people able to compete despite their location).
I\'ll start by saying that I\'m from Melbourne, so entry in previous years has involved a flight to Sydney, accomodation and GD expenses. The new format changes that issue, but at what cost?
The negatives include:
Long drawn out process rather than a single day.
GW shop staff responsible for judging first rounds. (Enough said.)
GW staff responsible for transporting minis between the three rounds of the competition (I\'m not trusting them with any entries of mine, especially my planned duel entry which would be quite fragile).
A ban on display bases (including those for units), which virtually guarantees that GW staff will handle the mini by the painted mini itself, causing damage.
The open category has been abolished!
These last two changes really limit the entrants creativity. Losing Battle Scene a couple of years ago was bad enough! These changes alone make me wonder at whether this years entries will be stronger or just more restricted...
While I\'m proud of my demon, I\'m not willing to risk my entries, on which I\'ll spend up to a hundred hours, to gain another. A damn shame really because I did enjoy previous years.
One final reason for not competing would be my lack of inspiration from GW of late. It just seems that there are too many competitors being innovative while GW is going backwards (IMO) ...examples of minis I\'d rather paint at the moment include Rackham, Hasslefree, Spyglass and Heresy.
Good luck to those who have entered! lol
I\'ll start by saying that I\'m from Melbourne, so entry in previous years has involved a flight to Sydney, accomodation and GD expenses. The new format changes that issue, but at what cost?
The negatives include:
Long drawn out process rather than a single day.
GW shop staff responsible for judging first rounds. (Enough said.)
GW staff responsible for transporting minis between the three rounds of the competition (I\'m not trusting them with any entries of mine, especially my planned duel entry which would be quite fragile).
A ban on display bases (including those for units), which virtually guarantees that GW staff will handle the mini by the painted mini itself, causing damage.
The open category has been abolished!
These last two changes really limit the entrants creativity. Losing Battle Scene a couple of years ago was bad enough! These changes alone make me wonder at whether this years entries will be stronger or just more restricted...
While I\'m proud of my demon, I\'m not willing to risk my entries, on which I\'ll spend up to a hundred hours, to gain another. A damn shame really because I did enjoy previous years.
One final reason for not competing would be my lack of inspiration from GW of late. It just seems that there are too many competitors being innovative while GW is going backwards (IMO) ...examples of minis I\'d rather paint at the moment include Rackham, Hasslefree, Spyglass and Heresy.
Good luck to those who have entered! lol
Arjay
Member
If I\'d taken part I would have entered my miniature(s) at the Adelaide store, if they made the cut there they\'d be sent to the Marion store for the regionals, if they were lucky enough to get through the regionals they\'d be sent interstate (2hrs by plane, 20+hrs by road) to the Parramatta store for the national finals. GW staff would have been responsible for transporting the figures to each venue (I heard that they were discouraging people from transporting the figures themselves for whatever reason). This process must have put off a lot of people because over the weekend I checked out both the Adelaide and Marion stores and the staff at each commented on the disappointing turn out
Does anyone know if Victoria is entering this year? I believe Marion is her local store but I\'m pretty sure there was nothing there by her.
Does anyone know if Victoria is entering this year? I believe Marion is her local store but I\'m pretty sure there was nothing there by her.
green stuff
Active member
Might I know what brought you to this conclusion (I mean for your remarque on the french)? Sure most of us have only heard about Victoria\'s work, but I see no reason why the artists of your country should be underclassed ???. The australians who answered this thread have proven that much and I hope to continue to see their great workMessage original : wereweevil
i think that if we could get some of the painters here( who many people have never seen their work) in Oz to pull their fingers out
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Arjay
Member
I don\'t think I\'ve seen any comments made by anyone of any nationality which were critical of the standard of miniature painting in Australia. I can\'t see the point in anyone making such a generalization...Originally posted by green stuff
Might I know what brought you to this conclusion (I mean for your remarque on the french)? Sure most of us have only heard about Victoria\'s work, but I see no reason why the artists of your country should be underclassed ???. The australians who answered this thread have proven that much and I hope to continue to see their great work
paintingploddy
New member
There is a general perception the Australian GD is the poor cousin worldwide. I would concede there isn\'t that much depth to the painting pool, but I think the proportions of great painters to good painters to gamers is similar region to region. And we have painters to match the best the world has to offer.
Victoria entered a single figure this year. i love what she does (most times) and this is no exception. i wish I could go and see it in person.
See it here about half way down. The thread also has some other entries. Rob Jedi\'s Aenur looks great, and Zordana has some nice stuff too.
http://www.wargamerau.com/viewtopic.php?t=11949&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Wereweevil has some strong views, and expresses them accordingly. I don\'t know whether he can point out someone who has expressed this view to him, and thinking on it I don\'t care. What he has said is a generalisation, and all generalisations are stupid (even this one lol)
Victoria entered a single figure this year. i love what she does (most times) and this is no exception. i wish I could go and see it in person.
See it here about half way down. The thread also has some other entries. Rob Jedi\'s Aenur looks great, and Zordana has some nice stuff too.
http://www.wargamerau.com/viewtopic.php?t=11949&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Wereweevil has some strong views, and expresses them accordingly. I don\'t know whether he can point out someone who has expressed this view to him, and thinking on it I don\'t care. What he has said is a generalisation, and all generalisations are stupid (even this one lol)
laurence
Brushlover
Dissapointment
I\'m upset to hear that the new pre-entry requsites for the Golden D painting competition in Australia are turning a lot of excellent painters off entering their works.
What a shame. I felt that last years entries were the best yet. Especially with Johnny Wongs entry. With guys like Victoria Lamb, Arjay, Glenn L, Kenneth etc, etc the comptition was getting better and better.
Also, because Australia is in the Asia Pacific region hopefully the comp will attract entries from the Japanese painters (awesome) and other SE Asian painters.
Oh well. Hopefully the GW doods will know better for next years comp.
Success to all of the painters brave enough to enter this year.
I\'m upset to hear that the new pre-entry requsites for the Golden D painting competition in Australia are turning a lot of excellent painters off entering their works.
What a shame. I felt that last years entries were the best yet. Especially with Johnny Wongs entry. With guys like Victoria Lamb, Arjay, Glenn L, Kenneth etc, etc the comptition was getting better and better.
Also, because Australia is in the Asia Pacific region hopefully the comp will attract entries from the Japanese painters (awesome) and other SE Asian painters.
Oh well. Hopefully the GW doods will know better for next years comp.
Success to all of the painters brave enough to enter this year.
Arjay
Member
The Australian GD will always be the poor cousin - our small population and geographical isolation dictates this. Most of the GDs in Europe appear to get entrants from all over Europe and the UK not just the host country. North America\'s comparatively large population will always ensure a good turn out to their GDs. The OZGD relies on Australia and New Zealand for its contestants (a combined population of under 25 million). The distance between Australian capital cities also plays its part in reducing numbers. It\'s just unrealistic to expect the same quantity of quality entries from the OZGD as you\'d get from one based in Europe or Nth. America.
paintingploddy
New member
I\'ve just discovered one of the competitors wrote the judging guidelines. ???
This seems like a clear conflict of interest. His work has him in the running, but in a close call this could raise the perception in some areas of nepotism especially given the lack of anonymity under this format, and an apparent close liason between the organiser and the competitor.
What do you think? Is this a problem? Am I being a touch sensitive about this?
This seems like a clear conflict of interest. His work has him in the running, but in a close call this could raise the perception in some areas of nepotism especially given the lack of anonymity under this format, and an apparent close liason between the organiser and the competitor.
What do you think? Is this a problem? Am I being a touch sensitive about this?
wereweevil
Member
You\'re right i have strong views on the subject paintingploddy - i spend far too much timeand effort to be wishy-washy about it all
The generalisation is valid. As others have stated, there is a perception that Oz GD is the poor cousin, and it has been vocally expressed by more than one of France\'s top painters, including Mr Bonamont (on several occasions). There is a general disdain for the level of ability in this comp. I think per capita, we hold our own.
As for the \'conflict of interest\' on the guidelines issue, well, it\'s in my best interests to keep my mouth well and truly shut on that one. I don\'t particularly want to be \'blacklisted\' for expressing my opinions... :bouncy:
The generalisation is valid. As others have stated, there is a perception that Oz GD is the poor cousin, and it has been vocally expressed by more than one of France\'s top painters, including Mr Bonamont (on several occasions). There is a general disdain for the level of ability in this comp. I think per capita, we hold our own.
As for the \'conflict of interest\' on the guidelines issue, well, it\'s in my best interests to keep my mouth well and truly shut on that one. I don\'t particularly want to be \'blacklisted\' for expressing my opinions... :bouncy:
paintingploddy
New member
I saw you got censored. I look forward to the response, and I believe I\'ll finally get to meet him this weekend.
