Painted mini market - softening?

Jarrett

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Originally posted by EArkham
I haven\'t noticed any slump in commission requests. Like demonherald, I regularly get asked to do more work than I could possibly handle. I abandoned eBay months ago due to increased fees and a large volume of commission work, so I can\'t speak as to what\'s going on there.

As of recently, I don\'t even take commissions anymore. To be blunt, even charging top dollar with plenty of work lined up, it\'s just not enough money per hour to make it worthwhile IMO. :)

Kep

So you basically arent selling painted minis anymore at all?
 

atacam

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Originally posted by EArkham
I haven\'t noticed any slump in commission requests. Like demonherald, I regularly get asked to do more work than I could possibly handle. I abandoned eBay months ago due to increased fees and a large volume of commission work, so I can\'t speak as to what\'s going on there.

As of recently, I don\'t even take commissions anymore. To be blunt, even charging top dollar with plenty of work lined up, it\'s just not enough money per hour to make it worthwhile IMO. :)

Kep

Well you could always point people in my direction. ;)

On the other hand this is a great thread for anyone wanting a commission painter:D
 

miniDrake

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Have to say my eBay listing are in a dead clam state :). Lucky I only paint for eBay in between commissions when they sell its a nice little bonus.

Commission wise I\'ve got them coming out of my ears.

From the look of it I\'m book up solid for the next 4 or 5 weeks.

Even bought a space marine battle company with the view to painting up table top level squads for eBay but had to scrap that idea as one of my high volume clients ended up commissioning half the company for his Ultramarines army.
 

Wombat85

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For me same as everyone else plenty of commissions, Ebay wise GW has dried up but FOW is starting to boom and there still arn\'t many people out there painting 15mm historical so its up and up for me.
 

generulpoleaxe

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Originally posted by Wombat85
For me same as everyone else plenty of commissions, Ebay wise GW has dried up but FOW is starting to boom and there still arn\'t many people out there painting 15mm historical so its up and up for me.

their are tonnes of people doing 15mm outside of australia.
FOW prices are good for budget painters but shite for anything else.
and historicals in general aren\'t that good either, yet again, unless your a budget painter.

not saying budget painting is bad as it\'s a far bigger market that display painting.
 

EArkham

Necromancer
Originally posted by Jarrett
So you basically arent selling painted minis anymore at all?

Correct, I\'m done with it.

I\'ll keep painting them for myself and writing tutorials, but no new figures for sale anymore. I have one lingering commission which I took since I had promised the client that I would, and when that\'s done the commission info on my site will be coming down.

Kep
 

demonherald

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Originally posted by miniDrake
Have to say my eBay listing are in a dead clam state :). Lucky I only paint for eBay in between commissions when they sell its a nice little bonus.

Commission wise I\'ve got them coming out of my ears.

From the look of it I\'m book up solid for the next 4 or 5 weeks.

Even bought a space marine battle company with the view to painting up table top level squads for eBay but had to scrap that idea as one of my high volume clients ended up commissioning half the company for his Ultramarines army.

I think that\'s the key thing really and the way ebay should be used.. The costs of fees and the sheer unpredictability of prices means that ebay alone isn\'t a viable source of income.. however between commissions or for just getting the painting bug out of the system and doing something different it is a great way to top up..
Between Commissions I generally do a few pieces to practise techniques,,, armoured models, fleshy models , etc. etc.. These go on ebay and are my bonus items .. If they don\'t sell there\'s no real pressure if they do it\'s all good.

Like Earkham though I am looking at ending all commissions this year.. Financially it has been great and remains so but I am wanting to step out slow down and develop my painting and paint some nice pieces for my own collection...I paint more than a lot of painters I know and still end up with nothing to show fo it ad to be honest there are just so many nice sculpts coming out and about that have little or no sales value but that I want to do my best work on...

All swings and roundabouts really..:drunk:
 

Jarrett

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Originally posted by demonherald
Originally posted by miniDrake
Have to say my eBay listing are in a dead clam state :). Lucky I only paint for eBay in between commissions when they sell its a nice little bonus.

Commission wise I\'ve got them coming out of my ears.

From the look of it I\'m book up solid for the next 4 or 5 weeks.

Even bought a space marine battle company with the view to painting up table top level squads for eBay but had to scrap that idea as one of my high volume clients ended up commissioning half the company for his Ultramarines army.

I think that\'s the key thing really and the way ebay should be used.. The costs of fees and the sheer unpredictability of prices means that ebay alone isn\'t a viable source of income.. however between commissions or for just getting the painting bug out of the system and doing something different it is a great way to top up..
Between Commissions I generally do a few pieces to practise techniques,,, armoured models, fleshy models , etc. etc.. These go on ebay and are my bonus items .. If they don\'t sell there\'s no real pressure if they do it\'s all good.

Like Earkham though I am looking at ending all commissions this year.. Financially it has been great and remains so but I am wanting to step out slow down and develop my painting and paint some nice pieces for my own collection...I paint more than a lot of painters I know and still end up with nothing to show fo it ad to be honest there are just so many nice sculpts coming out and about that have little or no sales value but that I want to do my best work on...

All swings and roundabouts really..:drunk:


Hmmm. Interesting. For me, commissions have never worked simply because something about my mentality shuts down my motivation to paint when it feels more like work or I\'m painting what someone else wants at any given time.

This is a bit depressing. The hobby won\'t work out for me if I dont sell my work consistently, because that\'s how I fund the hobby itself :)
 

Celthulhu

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When you say that you see auctions for nice paint jobs not going al all, are you seeing this on CMON?

I know whenever we sell something on ebay for the Buy It Now price, and it had no bids (vs. bids under the reserve), it shows on CMON that it didn\'t sell at all.

Also, when someone Buys It Now and it has bids (below the reserve price) it shows it selling for the last bid instead of the Buy It Now price.

It would appear to anyone that sees our Featured Auctions on CMON (and doesn\'t click the link) that the stuff never sells, or only sells for cheap.

But like most people who posted here, our main income is from commissions, although we do get more commissions from happy ebay customers.
 

DarkStar

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Odd that I find this thread, I just had 3 listings flatline with no bids...and this is the part that got me...no watchers except 1.


I only do a couple dozen minis on ebay per year and never until just now have I seen something like this, very uncharacteristic.

In five years I\'ve had to relist once. And now, only 1 watcher on 3 minis. That\'s just zero pulse.


Very unusual, the insecure side of my mind tells me that the sky is falling, but the part of my mind that is the glass half full side says wait and see, could be a fluke.

In any case I\'ll try again soon with the same pieces, see what happens. Could just be those particular minis aren\'t catching anyone\'s fancy, could be anything really. I\'m sure some high paid analyst out there knows the score and what\'s really going down with the economy and all that jazz but me. But me? I\'m only human baby...

...I\'m only human baby
Ain\'t I allowed to make mistakes
You put your guilt on me
And it\'s causing my poor heart to break, yeah

~Luther Vandross
 

hagness

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buyer\'s remorse

As a long-term buyer, I can say that personal ups and downs (buying homes, etc.) have a bigger impact on purchasing than the economy. When conserving money for larger purchases, I tend to start collecting the unpainted minis instead, filling out the oop figures and collecting new armies.

But in general, I would say that it\'s become increasingly difficult to actually lay hands on the kind of quality miniatures that were more readily available in the past. Part may be due to more buyers, but I\'ve definitely felt the loss of many of the quality painters. Almost all of the regular top-end commission painters and ebay painters that I used to collect are either not painting for others or not painting at all. Jarett Lee, Eric Louchard, Jason Richards, Anne Foerster, Matt Verzani, Matt Gubser, Tammy Haye, Arjay and many others don\'t sell anymore. They\'re also not painting for competitions, and as a result, I\'ve definitely seen some (IMO) decline in the quality of North American GD entries. Occasionally you\'ll get someone posting golden demon entries, but rarely do you see the ones that attract a lot of interest. IMO the most prolific high quality painting seen on ebay is coming from Poland (with some exceptions, like the Wappels).

Overall I would say that there is more \"good\" painted miniatures now than ever before, both from private commissions and on ebay. The average quality of painting has improved, and/or better painted figures have become more affordable. There are several painting services that would actually meet my minimum criteria for collecting.

In some ways, I don\'t regret having to pay $100-200 per figure for a decent paint job. On the other hand, I wish I had the choice, because when I get the choice I inevitably make it.

And yes, the weak US dollar compared to the GBP hurts. I do find myself losing overseas auctions to buyers in the UK for what seems like outrageous prices (when you convert it to dollars).
 

Jarrett

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Originally posted by hagness
Jarett Lee, Eric Louchard, Jason Richards, Anne Foerster, Matt Verzani, Matt Gubser, Tammy Haye, Arjay and many others don\'t sell anymore. They\'re also not painting for competitions, and as a result, I\'ve definitely seen some (IMO) decline in the quality of North American GD entries.

I\'m honored to be listed in that company :) I definitely slowed down my selling and/or started focusing on gaming-quality auctions. I actually started this thread partly out of fear that the market has dried up, as I watched a couple of auctions I had reasonable hopes for sell for very low (like 20 bucks or so lol - that hurt).

Big part of my sales slowdown was having a son (and now, a second one.....) as well as that darned World of Warcraft which pulled me away from painting for quite a while.
 

demonherald

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Originally posted by squidders
Demonherald - you have to paint something special for me before you quit!!! Or i\'ll sulk or something. lol

No problem chief.. will have a think on it for ya....and won\'t forget ya..
 

CrookedEye

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Originally posted by hagness
As a long-term buyer, I can say that Jarett Lee, Eric Louchard, Jason Richards, Anne Foerster, Matt Verzani, Matt Gubser, Tammy Haye, Arjay and many others don\'t sell anymore. They\'re also not painting for competitions, and as a result, I\'ve definitely seen some (IMO) decline in the quality of North American GD entries.

Not that it\'s really anything about anything, but most of those people never really competed in NA GD\'s anyway. Tammy was from the UK, Arjay from Australia, Anne and Matt G only competed 1 year (2002 and 2003 respectively) as far as I know.

Your basic point is right, and I do miss Jason Richards stuff, but it\'s the Haley\'s, the Liliana Troy\'s (who is returning this year at GDLA) and others of that sort that could really give us a kick in the rear.

Zach
 

Jarrett

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I did, but only ....I think 3 times? Canada once and LA twice. And never got higher than Silver, so I dont think I was raising the curve or anything like that :)

Anyone know why Jason Richards doesn\'t really update his site or post anymore?
 

atacam

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At the moment I cant/wont put minis on Ebay, for a couple of reasons. My photography is not up to scratch. Those that have seen my minis in real life have said that the pics really let them down:( . Alas I am also not very well know for selling/commissions so my stuff wouldn\'t go for a high enough price which would make it worth doing. I know I could raise my profile by entering, and hopefully winning a golden demon. My last attempt was at 2003 GD and i got beaten into 4th place in the 40k single figures category by an excellent piece by our very own Steve Buddle (SJB) of Spyglass miniatures with his Commisar but I really dont have the time to paint the entries, catch 22 atm.

So unfortunately I am stuck doing the odd private commission, unless anyone has any ideas that would help???
 
Originally posted by Aliengod3
Well I know that the US is in a \"recession,\" which basically means the media is scaring everyone into believing they need to save their money instead of spend it, so that is probably why the auctions are going for less. Parents are claiming they cannot afford to buy their young screaming headaches painted armies.
in the uk we are going into a recession but thats caused by the price of fuel which is in turn rising the cost of food and travel and pretty much everything else. its not just claiming here...people literally cant spare the money in some cases....
i think if its a harsh winter this year a lot of old people are going to die.
my dad earns a fairly decent wage and even we can barely afford the heating bill....and its not even winter yet.
my student loan is going to give me barely enough to live on as my rent for student halls has gone up as has my bus fare. im finding myself having to try and justify buying /any/ minis, let alone painted ones.

i take commisions for pet portraits and people are definately not as willing to spend money on none essentials anymore. ive seen some really nice painted minis either not make the reserve or sell for a really cheap price on ebay recently
 
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