Well, the mini's still up there, but he provides credit to the painter, and a small explication on why he's selling.
I don't see a problem there
(other then the fact it's a bit overpriced )
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Well, the mini's still up there, but he provides credit to the painter, and a small explication on why he's selling.
I don't see a problem there
(other then the fact it's a bit overpriced )
nels0nmac
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Maybe not but in that particular case he does state at the bottom of the pics that it was painted by Bohun, so he did give credit to the artist in that particular case. And he does/did state that he was selling it because he needs the money... although trying to sell it for $2000 is unlikely to find someone willing to pay that much for it, regardless of how good it is.
edit :damn, shaetano just beat me to it
dogfacedboy uk1
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Well, the mini's still up there, but he provides credit to the painter, and a small explication on why he's selling.
I don't see a problem there
I wouldn't probably say overpriced in terms of time invested and skill, a better description would be "beyond the price range of most...". Go and look at a decent gift shops ornaments and look at the prices they charge for mass produced badly painted made in china stuff. I have seen some of bohuns stuff go for $1000, so this guys mark up is pretty big, but good luck to him.
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TrystanGST
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Maybe, but at least Bohun is getting the money for his hard work. This guy didn't do anything and is asking $2000?
But hey, there's a sucker born every minute. If he can swindle someone out of $2000, more power to him.
generulpoleaxe
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If you don't like the asking price then don't pay it, that is how the market works.
And as for he didn't do the work grow up, you pay good money for products sold by people who didn't make that product all of the time such as MINIATURES.
Good look to the guy I say.
IdofEntity
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Speculation for appreciating value of a product is a legitimate business venture.
No one scolds comic book collectors for selling their original prints of vintage comics. Obviously they had no part in creating them, and the only hard work would be in preserving the comic's condition. (much as this miniature)
Torn blue sky
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Yeaahhhh, but when it comes down to it, Bohuns Avatar is completely unique (within the confines that he, himself, added his unique style and flair) and hand painted. Not like a mass printed comic. If it was a single copy, drawn and inked painstakingly by the artist, never again to be produced with a "maaaaybe" clause ...Then there would be a comparison.
I'm just saying that to be a pain in the arse.
I'm just saying that to be a pain in the arse.
Einion
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Duuude, are you begrudging him selling his own property?
Swindle?! If someone is willing to pay what's asked then that's what it's worth to them. (Not that I think the prices are realistic I must add.)
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TrystanGST
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Nope. He can sell his stuff for whatever he wants to. It's a free world and all (well most of it). I just have a different take on resellers, as someone who actually produces content.
IdofEntity
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Unique first prints that are signed by the artist then? How about a unique lectern that has the carpenter's initials chiseled into the inside of the lid? Or The Storm on the Sea of Galilee, painted by Rembrandt? Shall we revile auctions and antique stores? Should one be villified for buying a unique scarf on Etsy, and a year later deciding to sell it because they just don't care for it as much anymore? Or is it that they shouldn't make a profit on such sale, despite the fact a buyer may be willing to pay such a sum?
Torn blue sky
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Just kidding man, i'm not fussed hahahahaha
It's the guys property now, he can do whatever he wants with it.
It's the guys property now, he can do whatever he wants with it.
TrystanGST
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To me there is a big difference between being forced to sell something you like, and buying solely to turn a profit. My beef is with the second guys, not the first. As I stated earlier, it's his property to do with as he chooses. Doesn't mean I have to like it.
generulpoleaxe
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That explains your reaction a lot better, I still disagree but now understand your view.
TrystanGST
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Ah yes. You see, in a previous life, I "painted" cars in Forza. Mainly for fun, but I didn't mind sharing with other players. I wasn't trying to make a huge profit, so I would sell the cars cheaply. Due to the system the game had in place, selling large quantities was a pain. So I would sell a set number for a low price. Then a few bad eggs (resellers) would come along, buy up all the cars I posted, and re-sell them at much higher prices. So instead of my cars being available at a good price to those who really wanted them, they were only available from these jerks at inflated prices. And this was all virtual money and items. So you can imagine how I feel about these "collectors" in real life.
Good to see that he has added credits and all! Now I wish him the best luck with his auctions, even if I still doubt that he will find someone able and willing to pay that much.
But still nobody who wants to discuss the matter in a more abstract form? Come on cmon, talk to me! ;-)
But still nobody who wants to discuss the matter in a more abstract form? Come on cmon, talk to me! ;-)
Beelzebrush
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Actually, to the people saying that once the artist has sold a work, then they no longer have a say or claim in how the work is subsequently disposed of by the buyer and for how much. There is a law called Droit de Suite.... it's a right (artists' resell rights) given to contemporary artists that allows them a percentage of the money from future sales, in much the same way as royalties work for musicians. I doubt it would apply to painted minis, as the painting is the only original aspect of the work but it may do. I wouldn't be surprised if it could be applied to full sculpts that are painted though. Food for thought, especially if painted mini sales are being operated at this sort of value nowdays.
Einion
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So... just hard cheese then?
Excellent point. If it did apply to minis (scratch or not) the problems of an international sale chain through eBay would make this virtually impossible for someone to pursue I'd imagine - which set of statutes applies and who's going to enforce it?
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IdofEntity
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It looks like it might apply to a painted mini, and the good news is that this law is somewhat uniform across the EU. If it was sold to an American the seller would be SOL, though. America recognizes no such law, which explains my knee-jerk reaction to sales rights. Damned tunnel vision.
@Trystan, I understand why you might have a personal beef with resellers. But real world economics not only supports these people, but relies on them. In olden times they would be travelling merchants. These days they are distributors. You have every right to deny a particular purchaser the sale if you're convinced they will resell it. (at least I believe so, I will have to research to be sure) Of course if the seller holds an "open" sale such as an auction, the seller has little basis for a grudge. My wife does commission pieces for people. She inked a scene of a Bengal Tiger in mid leap, and sold the piece for a decent amount. The person then turned and sold it for a 20% increase. Did it annoy her? Not really. She just learned that she can sell her pieces for a better amount.
When it comes to business, leave your personal feelings at the door.
TrystanGST
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Good point. Guess it's a good thing I don't sell my work anymore. And this was all in a game with no real money involved, which I guess is why it confused/upset me that people would engage in that behavior. Certainly when real money is involved, things change a bit. If you enter into an agreement with someone to distribute (resell) your items to a wider audience, knowing they will sell them for a higher price, that's fine.
In the end, it's his property to do with as he pleases, and no one's opinion should persuade him one way or the other. I don't have to like it, but all that means is that I wouldn't buy his stuff. And at $2000, that's not a problem anyways.
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Elly3438
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Why should people be able to post someone else's work under their own name, and get VOTES for it? What's the real point of this site then? I thought it was to post your OWN work. Getting voted on and your own personal ranking, can be big motivators to try and get better and really see where you are at in the community. But to receive high rankings for your profile for stuff you haven't even done is just plain ridiculous.
I don't care if they credit whoever, he still didn't paint it, and the 9+ ratings he will have attached to his profile for stuff he didn't do is what grates me most....
I don't care if they credit whoever, he still didn't paint it, and the 9+ ratings he will have attached to his profile for stuff he didn't do is what grates me most....
