Rant on dutch Identification law...
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green stuff
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Of cours. I\'m not saying that ID control is the solution. The only thing it does do is detect what has been decided as not legal with the status of the person.
I agree that the line between anti-terrorist mesures and a dictatorship is very thin.
green stuff
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How does that work with tourists? My uncle told me you had to leave your passport in the hotel.Message original : Margo
Dear Netherlands! Welcome to the club. lol It\'s the same way in Moscow. Like Corvus said, it\'s just something you get used to. Although I must admit, the feeling of going out without my passport whem I\'m in London is truly amazing ...
Not sure about that; the deal is, every foreign citizen has to get the so-called registration stating the place of their residence within two or three days after their arrival. If they\'re staying in the hotel, the hotel does all the paperwork; if not -- too bad, the bureocrats will get the hell out of you
green stuff
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I confirm the paper work and the burocrat fitMessage original : Margo
Not sure about that; the deal is, every foreign citizen has to get the so-called registration stating the place of their residence within two or three days after their arrival. If they\'re staying in the hotel, the hotel does all the paperwork; if not -- too bad, the bureocrats will get the hell out of you
. The hotel had forgotten to put on their stamp during one of my uncle\'s stays and the customs officer let him off only because his wife is of russian origin. But what I found strange was the fact that the hotel wanted to keep his passport during his stay (not just for the paper work).Originally posted by green stuffI confirm the paper work and the burocrat fit
Yes, it is very strange indeed. Did they say why? Because the Russian law clearly states that everybody has to be able to produce their ID at all times. And no wonder your uncle had problems at the customs -- officially, you need to, whatever, have this registration thing stamped on your migration card in order to leave the country. If you\'re interested, here\'s a link for you with more info. And, believe me, I know how frustrating those laws can get sometimes -- I\'m a foreign citizen here in Russia, and I\'ve experienced all the wonders of bureoratic outrages in this country lol
green stuff
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As far as he said, they didn\'t say why but his wife negociated the thing, so he got his passport back ... without the stamp
.Thanks for the info Margo and good luck with the hassels against russian bureocracy
.Originally posted by green stuffThanks for the info Margo and good luck with the hassles against russian bureocracy
Thanks!
Luckily enough, I know the laws well, and I have all the papers sorted out nice and clean So I won\'t have to face the bureocrats in the near future, which is quite a relief As for the ID law ... it\'s really nothing special, you get used to it. Although it does make you more alert on the streets -- the idea of losing a bag with your passpost in it is rather unpleasant
Burocracy in every form is bollocks. No country is free of it though it may differ from country to country how bad it is. Add corruption to the equation, however, and the poo really hits the rotating air-cooler.
Well, aside from the concerns about *where this all will stop* I think that I (we) will manage in Holland. Get used to it I mean....
And tammy, what are you on about... you\'re off to London soon aren\'t you?
Ramon
Well, aside from the concerns about *where this all will stop* I think that I (we) will manage in Holland. Get used to it I mean....
And tammy, what are you on about... you\'re off to London soon aren\'t you?
Ramon
For the Dutch, here is the detailed info:
http://www.justitie.nl/themas/meer/identificatieplicht/index.asp?ComponentID=46346&SourcePageID=25186
Basicly you always have to carry either your passport, driving licence or a Dutch i.d. card from the age of 14. For me that doesn\'t change anything in practice since I\'ve carried an i.d. ever since I was 14. First because I had a French (i.e. foreign) nationality and after that my driving licence since I had a car. Still, being Dutch means I\'m a little irritated by it being compulsory alll of a sudden. For one thing I can\'t leave it home in situations where I think the risk of loosing it is too big like during a concert. And of course, I\'m pretty forgetfull at times. Tip, make sure you have a photocopy of your i.d. papers at home. It makes it a lot easier to get a replacement. Even if you sometimes have to answer silly questions like your mother\'s birthday.
I guess it\'s another case of some bastards that can\'t behave (criminals etc.) that screw it up for the rest. Not that I don\'t see some advantages as well though. For one thing i.d. after an accident is a lot easier.
http://www.justitie.nl/themas/meer/identificatieplicht/index.asp?ComponentID=46346&SourcePageID=25186
Basicly you always have to carry either your passport, driving licence or a Dutch i.d. card from the age of 14. For me that doesn\'t change anything in practice since I\'ve carried an i.d. ever since I was 14. First because I had a French (i.e. foreign) nationality and after that my driving licence since I had a car. Still, being Dutch means I\'m a little irritated by it being compulsory alll of a sudden. For one thing I can\'t leave it home in situations where I think the risk of loosing it is too big like during a concert. And of course, I\'m pretty forgetfull at times.
Tip, make sure you have a photocopy of your i.d. papers at home. It makes it a lot easier to get a replacement. Even if you sometimes have to answer silly questions like your mother\'s birthday.I guess it\'s another case of some bastards that can\'t behave (criminals etc.) that screw it up for the rest. Not that I don\'t see some advantages as well though. For one thing i.d. after an accident is a lot easier.
green stuff
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All great nations have complicated burocracies. That doesn\'t lessen the people who live in them, nor the people who built them, nor their history IMHO
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As a former Civil Servant I can totally comprehend the hatred of bureaucracy. Police officers, I know quite a few, agree with that senitiment. As one has said to me, 10% of a job is looking at the issue, 20% trying to resolve it and the rest is paperwork.
As a native I can garantee you that it\'s absolutely possible to love your country and hate it\'s bureaucracy at the same time.
As a former Civil Servant I can totally comprehend the hatred of bureaucracy. Police officers, I know quite a few, agree with that senitiment. As one has said to me, 10% of a job is looking at the issue, 20% trying to resolve it and the rest is paperwork.
