Sculpting project

[Trevor]

I would like to see her on some sort of base, like a ruined industrial type thing.
Actually if we get it cast I could make a base and cast it up in resin, and then send a copy to each of the participants, it would make our ones stand out from the rest.

Movement is good, to fit with the wall, she could be landing or launching herself off.

I reckon I can do small bits of mechanical stuff, power packs, that sort of thing, what I\'m not confident with is doing pairs of things like the wings (basically because I know I\'ll make one bigger than the other), but I could add details to stuff.

Is this going to be all GS, or can we use metal/plasticard?

 

[minimaker]

Origineel geplaatst door TrevorIs this going to be all GS, or can we use metal/plasticard?

Since the figures are going to be cast we better stick to materials that survive the vulcanising process.

Here is a bit from the 1listsculpting FAQ:
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3.3 -What materials should I not use?
If a miniature is not going to be vulcanized, then you are pretty much free in your choices of materials. Otherwise, vulcanization usually subjects a miniature to high temperature (about 350 Fahrenheit/ 177 degrees Centigrade) and pressure (about 50PSI/ 3.45 bar). This means that some materials can cause problems like:
Plastic They can melt.
Wax This melts.
Superglue This liquefies which can affect the mold. It can work if covered with putty. Check this with the mold-maker as some do not seem to be troubled by it. See 3.14.
Resin This should also be checked with the caster. If you use a resin, you have to be careful about enclosed air bubbles. These would collapse during vulcanization of the mold. See 5.14.
Metal Tubing These can collapse under the pressure and if they are enclosed on both sides, the seals on the ends can pop off. If tubes are used, then they should be totally filled with putty for support and to avoid enclosed air spaces.
Lead This can be too soft. It\'s better to use brass.
Malleable Materials They can deform.
Aluminium This can sometimes be a problem. Check with the mold maker.
Brittle Materials Like certain clays, can crumble or explode from impurities overheating.
Ren Shape It\'s porous and will fill up with rubber, which makes cleaning the mold a problem.
Wood Saps and resins in the wood can damage the rubber or boil off, causing deformations and possible ruptures.
Low-Melt Alloys Make sure that, whatever metal you use for parts, the melting temperature is above the vulcanization temperature.

When in doubt, always check with the mold-maker. This does not mean that a mold can not be made if parts are made of these materials. There are different techniques for this, such making a cast of it first, using a room temperature vulcanizing rubber mould or using a vulcanization process at lower temperatures -but not all mold-makers are willing to or can go to this extra effort.
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So, epoxy putties and stiff metals (brass) are ok. If you need to use sheet like materials you can also go for putty sheets. Here are some instructions:
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/minimaker3/detail?.dir=5365&.dnm=2e67.jpg&.src=ph

By the way, anybody have some old guitarstring lying around? I\'ve been looking for that for a while now.

 

[Itchy]

ummm... i\'ve got some on my acustic, but you can\'t have it!lol You don\'t have an instrument shop in your town? The strings come in little paper packets and are fairly cheap.

For the angel i was thinking of of a poor to middle class girl that was thrown away by her family while in her young teens. Died young from the harsh streets and God gave her wings, and sent her back to watch over all the thrown away children of her city. But in the current time feather wings wont hold up to the vast polution and rampant technology change so she was blessed with mechanical/cyber wings that grow right out of her back like normal angel wings. So... thinking early 20s, still kind of innocent girl-ish, dressed kind of poorly, but enough to keep warm (maybe wool gloves?), and kind... she\'d have to look kind, oh, and of course the wings. What do you all think?

 

[minimaker]

I\'ll probably end up buying some, though I was hoping to find somebody who could help me on a cm or 2 of different types of strings so I can cast them for use as hoses and things on sf models.

As to the story, that\'s an interesting take on the subject. To express something like that would need a good pose and expression to bring the idea across. It would be interesting to try.

Anybody else have ideas? Medved, are you working on the drawings already? Or waiting on input?

By the way, is there a miniature that all participants have and we can use as a reference figure? Pi from the VOID range, the CMON figure of the girl with spear or something?
And do we all have sculpting tools?

 

[green stuff]

Medved is a bit busy for the moment. So if any one else would like to have a go at the sketches it would be great. I\'ll try to find some time this week-end. And great ideas Ming-Hua and Itchy .

Sorry, but I don\'t have any Void minis. Ming-Hua, were you thinking of Pi for size, position, or general look reference? If it\'s the last two, I\'ll manage with a picture.

 

[Orb]

I\'ll have a stab a some sketches........

 

[t_haye2]

I got a small supply of guitar wire cast up in metal left over from my GW days...I can\'t get any more of it, so only if it is really needed am i willing to donate. It\'s easier to use then normal guitar wire, easier to bend....see, those GW peeps in the Studio aren\'t THAT stupid

 

[Dragonsreach]

t_haye2

see, those GW peeps in the Studio aren\'t THAT stupid

......Oh yes they are, or you would still be working there!

 

[minimaker]

Origineel geplaatst door t_haye2I can\'t get any more of it, so only if it is really needed am i willing to donate. It\'s easier to use then normal guitar wire, easier to bend

Exactly the reason I want to cast them though I got this technique from the Ral Partha people. The other reason is that it stays together better when put under pressure. I saw that on one of the entries in VIP 2 where a real guitarstring was used.
Anyway, if I manage to get the strings cast (I can only drop cast here) I can send you some pieces if you like.

Origineel geplaatst door green stuff were you thinking of Pi for size, position, or general look reference?

Size reference. It can be handy to have a mini around we all have so we have some reference. Even with scaled sketches a 3d figure gives additional info.
So, how about the CMON figure (girl with halberd/spear), a figure that came with the Harbinger magazine or Freebooter?

 

[green stuff]

Message original : minimaker
Size reference. It can be handy to have a mini around we all have so we have some reference. Even with scaled sketches a 3d figure gives additional info.
So, how about the CMON figure (girl with halberd/spear), a figure that came with the Harbinger magazine or Freebooter?

Whichever is the common denominater for everybody. Sorry but I\'m more into GW (yes you can :flame: me if it makes your day ), Rackham, and Privateer Press, but the armature will suit me fine for size reference.

 

[minimaker]

Origineel geplaatst door green stuffbut the armature will suit me fine for size reference.

Yeah, but it won\'t do as a reference for volume. Anyway, if we can\'t find a figure it\'s ok. It\'s just a handy reference to have around. For \"fitting\" parts (does that gun look big enough?), measuring and keeping an eye on scale creep.

 

[t_haye2]

Originally posted by Dragonsreach
t_haye2

see, those GW peeps in the Studio aren\'t THAT stupid

......Oh yes they are, or you would still be working there!

Well, I guess, stupidity is something I just cannot abide by, unless it\'s my own.....and I left of my own accord....(before new rumors start flying)

 

[Orb]

with regards to sketches, should I do some variations on details that we can pick and choose what we like best?

Maybe include some interpretation from minimaker\'s characture questions?

 

[Medved]

Hi gang! this is kind of the reason i was a bit busy. i started to play while i was coverting stuff. early stages of my first ever green. oh and btw the coin is an english 1 pence piece (fairly small) for size reference. i have used a clay shaper brush and a long needle with fabric wrapped round it for a handle (thats about as high tech as it gets with me!)

have a looksy

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all i am going to say is that i have never tried this before. if the green ever gets completed i urge you all to set yourself a challenge like this. i have BIG RESPEKT for the sculptors out there!

 

[Trevor]

I have the harbinger minis, or GW and rackhams hybrid.

Looking foward to seeing some sketches.

 

[green stuff]

@Medved : Wow! That is small. It must be arround 10 or 15mm right? I\'ve forbidden myself entering that range by fear of definit loss of eyesight .

How many of you have the Rackham Miséricorde mini?

 

[PF]

How many? Mmm...Hard to say...I bet on 137
Btw,nice project you have guys

 

[green stuff]

Message original : PF
How many? Mmm...Hard to say...I bet on 137
Btw,nice project you have guys

LOL. J\'espère quand même pour Rackham qu\'ils en ont vendues plus . On te fait signe pour la prochaine éditon du projet?

 

[Trevor]

I don\'t have that one, but its similar to the ones in the Hybrid set, although they are male...

Still would give a benchmark for rough proportions. Anyway, this shouldn\'t affect me, as I\'m not going anywhere near the proportions stage, I\'ll just do some pouches, or cloak or something...

lol

 

[minimaker]

Origineel geplaatst door green stuffHow many of you have the Rackham Miséricorde mini?

Not me, but I can check what I have that would come close to it (not the fiannas that is. ). Are her proportions believable or exagerated like on the fiannas?

@Medved. Very good work, especially for a first figure. Proportions and anatomy are quite good but I think you suffered some scale creep while working on the head. Proportionwise it\'s too large for the body. The other thing is that the neck is a little short.
As to tools, I\'ve put pics of tools over here as an example of tools that can be used for sculpting. Going from improvised to factory made. As to the homemade ones: tell me if you want instructions on any one of them.