Sculptors or Painters

[supervike]

Who is more important? Which is the better artist?

Only two choices, deal with it.

Discussion is welcomed, but you HAVE to choose one or the other to vote...

We all know the stock answer is \'they are both equally important\'...but since you can be somewhat anonymous when you vote, I think it may be interesting.

I\'ll give my opinion later....

 

[Ritual]

For me it is easy... at least the \"who is more important?\" question. The sculptor! As a painter I\'m dependent on getting sculpts that gets my creative juices flowing and that challenges me to push myself. That is the most important thing that motivates me in my hobby.

 

[matty1001]

Sculptors. They create things for us to paint.

 

[War Griffon]

I agree with Ritual, without the sculptor there is no painter and a sculptor can make a figure all that much better to paint.

 

[airhead]

A good painter can make a good sculpt look good.

A good painter cannot make a poor sculpt look good.

A poor painter cannot make a good sculpt look that bad.

Sculptor

 

[freakinacage]

i agree with all that has been said!

 

[squidders]

A good painter can make a bad sculpt look good... with Freehand a good painter can make a large flat surface interesting.

Still, I vote sculptor as they put the mini in cool mini or not.

 

[supervike]

Very interesting!! so far it is unanimous!


Just to take the other side of the fence, very rarely, do I look at an unpainted mini and see \'life\'. While sometimes, even on a mediocre painted mini...there is definately something \'there\'.

But, I suppose miniatures are similar to highly advanced coloring books. While a \'colorer\' can add some amazing depth and realness, ultimately its the black and white \'blank\' that is the crux of it.

I suppose I have to vote with the crowd then....

 

[Ritual]

Originally posted by supervike
Just to take the other side of the fence, very rarely, do I look at an unpainted mini and see \'life\'. While sometimes, even on a mediocre painted mini...there is definately something \'there\'.

I don\'t really look for life when I look at minis to paint. I want to bring life to the mini myself. What I look for is potential, good design, skillful sculpting, something I know I can do something good with.

It can even be a problem if I see a cool sculpt with a great paintjob if the paintjob is too close to what I would do with it. That can make me lose the urge to paint it myself.

 

[generulpoleaxe]

both, yet none.

most sculpters work we see is just craftsmanship, the same as what most painters generaly do.
they use their skills to produce a piece of work that isn\'t to much different from what they normaly do, with experience they can make it appear like their is more variety, but look at the poses, the faces etc, very few can drift from what they are good at.

the art side of it is creating something new that brings out emotions within people, even sometime make people ask questions.

take a look at miniature lines, the first few pieces from a line are usualy something new and different, a lot of creativity (art) was used.
then look at the line if it succesfull later on.
lots of seemingly different pieces but all just a slight variation on what was first done (craftsmenship)

man i\'m waffling and this shit is too deep for me lol

i\'m off to carry on moving my amps.

 

[SJB]

Painters. Without the painter, the sculptor is redundant. The painter is the point of the miniature. The main thrust of this hobby is miniature painting.

The sculptor is, of course, required (one cannot really exist without the other) but they exist to provide the canvas that the painter may produce the art.

So, I\'m happy to be the one voice that disagrees. Possibly odd that I am a sculptor myself (though I have been a painter far longer).

 

[supervike]

Ah! Now thats an astute observation!!

AND from a sculptor!

 

[Dragon Forge Design]

Steve beat me to it, but that was exactly the reply I was going to make..with out the painter..the consumer..Id have no job and reason to sculpt.

So I say..Buy painters Buy.. and that means you too Vikey!

 

[freakinacage]

not true steve and jeff - some sculpts, exist in their own right and don\'t need paint. you won\'t get a paintjob without a sculpt!

 

[Ritual]

I actually expected sculptors to have the opposite view. And from their point of view I can understand it.

 

[elouchard]

Sculptors. no question. Sculpting is more difficult and requires one to come up with something out of nothing.

From a purely economic standpoint, sculptors are much more expensive than painters also.

I\'m not sure if I could say one is a better artist than the other. Miniatures and art is another thread that has been done many times.

Bottom line though, without the sculptor, people might as well be painting rocks and sticks.

 

[Dragon Forge Design]

Originally posted by Ritual
I actually expected sculptors to have the opposite view. And from their point of view I can understand it.

Oh Im sure there are some out there who will share that view just as Im sure there are painters out there who feel that painter is the most important.

I honestly feel its a rather symbioitic relationship.

@ Freak, sure I could create art and do real sculpture..but what would be the fun in that plus Im not EMO enough to be a real artist

 

[Ritual]

Originally posted by Dragon Forge Design
I honestly feel its a rather symbioitic relationship.

Yeah, so do I. But Vike forced us to chose one.

 

[Evil Dave]

Originally posted by SJB
Painters. Without the painter, the sculptor is redundant. The painter is the point of the miniature. The main thrust of this hobby is miniature painting.

The sculptor is, of course, required (one cannot really exist without the other) but they exist to provide the canvas that the painter may produce the art.

So, I\'m happy to be the one voice that disagrees. Possibly odd that I am a sculptor myself (though I have been a painter far longer).

I disagree, only because you\'re being way too humble.lol
A miniature\'s whole point is to represent something, a tangible marker or counter, or even an expression of art. Painting makes it prettier by far, but without the paint, the miniature still represents something.
Look at other forms of sculpture. We rarely paint those.
I know tons of gamers that never paint their figures because to them the figure is doing it\'s purpose as is.

 

[Yramrag]

I am going to say that neither is more important than the other. It is sort of like the chicken and the egg (except that it has been worked out that the chicken came first).
Without the sculptor, most of us probably wouldn\'t paint. Without the painter, there would be very little business sense for the sculptor to continue unless he was doing it for himself.
Both are relying on the other for continued existence (so to speak). Being a painter, i would love to be able to sculpt, but as i can\'t i focus on the painting side. How and what i paint therefore, is dictated by what the sculptor has created. They are vital to the industry, but so are painters.
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