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[tagron]

Originally posted by lono
Tim\'s, well it still baffles me that his style appeals to anyone at all, so obviously this does nothing for me!

You dont like it? Swell. But, to make a comment such as yours, asserting that there is nothing of merit in such a style strikes me as very ignorant.
I personaly hate country music, BUT i will not deny it has its place, and requires very much talent if done correctly.

I personaly am a huge fan of the french style, i like a very dark, gritty, and super realistic model. But that being said, i admire tims ability to contrast that kind of model, with his electric use of highlights. It sounds like a cop out, but if you walked down a judging table of models, i guarantee you, that tims models will be one of the most notible on that table, and you WILL find yourself spending a great deal of time just taking in the amount of detail. And the honest truth of it is, there is nothing comperable out there. Please, Iono, send me a link to a miniature painter who has that same style?

In my opinion, tim has created a style, that is highly individual, carefully excecuted, and atleast a standard is maintained.
I believe someone in this thread made a comment illuding to this being a contest that relied heavily upon the amount of time available to the painters that month?
I think we all know, that when something takes high enough priority, one naturaly makes time. So that fact that tim painted this to his standard and represented himself, no matter how bad the model, how small the amount of time, or how much of a popularity contest this will become, says something in and of itself.

 

[AinuLainour]

Originally posted by tagron

Originally posted by lono
Tim\'s, well it still baffles me that his style appeals to anyone at all, so obviously this does nothing for me!

You dont like it? Swell. But, to make a comment such as yours, asserting that there is nothing of merit in such a style strikes me as very ignorant.
I personaly hate country music, BUT i will not deny it has its place, and requires very much talent if done correctly.

I personaly am a huge fan of the french style, i like a very dark, gritty, and super realistic model. But that being said, i admire tims ability to contrast that kind of model, with his electric use of highlights. It sounds like a cop out, but if you walked down a judging table of models, i guarantee you, that tims models will be one of the most notible on that table, and you WILL find yourself spending a great deal of time just taking in the amount of detail. And the honest truth of it is, there is nothing comperable out there. Please, Iono, send me a link to a miniature painter who has that same style?

In my opinion, tim has created a style, that is highly individual, carefully excecuted, and atleast a standard is maintained.
I believe someone in this thread made a comment illuding to this being a contest that relied heavily upon the amount of time available to the painters that month?
I think we all know, that when something takes high enough priority, one naturaly makes time. So that fact that tim painted this to his standard and represented himself, no matter how bad the model, how small the amount of time, or how much of a popularity contest this will become, says something in and of itself.

Picasso\'s work wasn\'t \'mainstream\' at the time, but take a look at how his paintings are respected now.

 

[Legacy Account]

Comparing a dodgily painted plastic toy to Picasso is pushing things a bit!lol

Melnik is left floundering without her trademark NMM bling too

 

[lono]

What brought that on Tagron? You really need to think things through before you go on a rant and accuse someone of being ignorant. Perhaps reading their post would be a good start, rather than scanning it and beginning to spout your \'Head of the Tim Holly Fan Club\' diatribe for completely unnecessary reasons.

Where did I say there is nothing of merit in his style, and why am I ignorant if I don’t like a miniature or painting style? I haven’t made any nasty comments here, I haven’t attacked anyone, simply stated my personal opinion. In fact I avoided going into detail on why Tim\'s style doesn\'t appeal because it is something that has been done rather too often in my forum browsing memory, and as it is just my personal opinion I felt no need to bring it up again.

As I said, it baffles me that his style appeals to anyone at all. I do believe that if you are allowed to hold the opinion that Tim has created a style that is individual and carefully executed, then I am allowed to hold one opposing that which thinks his heavy, high contrast highlights make his miniatures look rather childlike, completely at odds with the background and unappealing. That is my opinion, I don\'t expect anyone to share it, although I suspect there are people who do, and I don\'t expect everyone to agree with it either, and there are people who don\'t, as you have shown.

If you like his style that is fine, I have no issue with that at all, but don\'t make assumptions about people\'s opinions and then call them ignorant when all you really do is disagree with them. That\'s the sort of thing that could be taken as slightly offensive.

 

[generulpoleaxe]

tim\'s style isn\'t unique, it\'s based on what has become known as the foundry style.

quick and simple for wargaming miniatures, not realy suited to competition pieces. just my opinion tho.

 

[AinuLainour]

Originally posted by Spacemunkie
Comparing a dodgily painted plastic toy to Picasso is pushing things a bit!lol

It\'s still the same situation.

 

[Bloodthirster666]

I\'m guessing you didn\'t get a chance to see Tims Black Templars or Daemonette in person then cause id say there was at least a hundred hours worth of work on the Daemonette alone. Somehow that doesn\'t sound like a table top quality job to me but then again Dirty took the pics s for that Gamesday so its understandable why ppl would think Tim\'s stuff is bland. I don\'t think Dirty took decent pics of any demon winning entries for that matter but I digress......
Tod mentioned that he was running out of time in the article and if you look at the back of his mini the boar looks sort of unfinished as compared to the rest of the mini. Natalia\'s mini I think was posed the coolest but if you compare this orc to say any of her entries at chicago she obviously didn\'t spend a whole lot of time on it. Some how it just seems that Tim\'s mini looks the best all round. Thats just my opinion. I\'m not Bashing dirty to be a jerk (he was one of the nicest GW employees I ever met) but the fact is the photos in Whit Dwarf and especially at Chicago GAmesday look much better. The same goes for these painters. I will probably never paint as well as any of these guys but then again we all love to critique them and choose sides.

 

[Legacy Account]

Originally posted by AinuLainour

Originally posted by Spacemunkie
Comparing a dodgily painted plastic toy to Picasso is pushing things a bit!lol

It\'s still the same situation.

Is it \'eck. That guy has painted a plastic toy up in a style of painting that has been around for YONKS. Just go and have a look at some Fantasy Miniatures books from the late 80\'s/early 90\'s. Go and look at Steve Dean\'s website. Try reading Kevin Dallimore\'s painting guide. Have a look at the tutorials on the Vallejo website.... All he\'s done is knock out a slightly cleaner take on this style.

Doesn\'t matter what spin you put on it, it\'s a basic technique mostly used by wargamers to get big units painted up quickly. It certainly isn\'t breaking any new ground, and his miniatures aren\'t going to sell for millions in 50 years time......

 

[Angelos3000]

I reckon natalya rushed because she had far better models to paint. Please look at todd\'s i say thats a warhammer single winner at least the freehand smooth skin transition lovely fur and nice metallic weathering. All topped off by the best ever base.

 

[matty1001]

Originally posted by Angelos3000
I reckon natalya rushed because she had far better models to paint.

lol

 

[Bloodthirster666]

True, she has to keep that money machine rolling:evil:

 

[Avelorn]

They are all nice imo. Todd Swansons is really impressive and the best of the lot imo. Two thumbs up!

Natalyas is nice as well.. her usual standard I\'d say. The skin that is too flat and unicoloured and doesn\'t become the natural focal point.. that is imo the biggest problem.

Tim has a very sharp and precise brushstroke. I think the skin of the boar is the part that brings it down. I don\'t think it works as a tiger pattern as then the rest is not highlighted enough by far and as a shading it doesn\'t even make sense in the very stilistical and rendered manner Tim usually paints.

I like what Jeff tried to doo with the mini I\'m not a big fan of the sculpt and for me his mini is the one that blends in the most with my view how an orc and boar rider would look. The technical flaws are however apparant in these very sharp closeups we are provided with.

Doubt so many other painters mini would look tip top on those revealing photos. I just wished they\'d give us this good images on the UK demon winners as this is the closeset to viewing actual minis IRL, under perfect lighting, that I have seen. 99.9% of all minis have technical flaws and transitions showing.. usually you can even see them on the winners through the glass with crappy lighting.. imagine what closeups like this would do to them? I might add also that I have a collection of miniatures from some of the most wellknown artists as well as 3 golden demon winners...(+ my own of course) they all have flaws too.

I saw Albert Moretó fonts up close this year though.. (thanks to lono ) shame on the poor lighting but it had no visible flaws that i could see. But as I\'ve said.. that is rarely seen.