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[/ranton] There are two things about this story that irritate me. First is the fact that the guy believes that his wife needs to be scared of him. What happened tto love honour and respect. OK, maybe it is a different culture and that sort of thing is accepted, but still, they want to be accepted by the rest of the civilised world and they still allow this sort of thing to occur.
Secondly, and maybe this is just me and again it might be a cultural thing. What the hell is the woman doing staying with him. Maybe she doesn\'t know any better because it\'s all she\'s experienced, but seriously.
If I ever hear of any of my friends beating or being beaten by their SO I am going to go have a short sharp discussion with them on why this is bad. And I\'ll make sure to take may hockey stick (I prefer it to a baseball bat, it\'s longer and has a nice pointyish end) [/rantoff]
Secondly, and maybe this is just me and again it might be a cultural thing. What the hell is the woman doing staying with him. Maybe she doesn\'t know any better because it\'s all she\'s experienced, but seriously.
If I ever hear of any of my friends beating or being beaten by their SO I am going to go have a short sharp discussion with them on why this is bad. And I\'ll make sure to take may hockey stick (I prefer it to a baseball bat, it\'s longer and has a nice pointyish end) [/rantoff]
Well, if this is a cultural thing, how come men beat up their wifes all over the world? In the western countries it\'s not that uncommon as one would like to think, the same goes for rape. Most raped women were raped by someone they know.
Even here in Sweden which is supposed to be one of the most equalized(?) countries in the world, men get drunk (or not), and goes home and beat their wife and children. Why is that? Me being a woman you can probably guess what I think about it :|~
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Even here in Sweden which is supposed to be one of the most equalized(?) countries in the world, men get drunk (or not), and goes home and beat their wife and children. Why is that? Me being a woman you can probably guess what I think about it :|~
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Hmmm... I have a friend in Tehran. He\'s a multimillionair and his parents own a metal works company. He once told me that beatings are rather common. As everyone knows, woman don\'t have much say and so on.
A thing that might interest you though, is the fact that my friend and many others are going against their Muslim/Islam culture, because the western wold is having such a huge influence. An example. My friend and his family, travel to a smaller neighbouring country, where they buy label clothes (can\'t by them in Iran) and they do this, to go against the trend.
To be honest, a pretty brave thing to do.
Personally, I don\'t agree with the culture. I don\'t see why one should be beaten, or why one does the beating. It\'s beyond me.
A thing that might interest you though, is the fact that my friend and many others are going against their Muslim/Islam culture, because the western wold is having such a huge influence. An example. My friend and his family, travel to a smaller neighbouring country, where they buy label clothes (can\'t by them in Iran) and they do this, to go against the trend.
To be honest, a pretty brave thing to do.
Personally, I don\'t agree with the culture. I don\'t see why one should be beaten, or why one does the beating. It\'s beyond me.
tidoco2222
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HMMMMM
Unfortunately beating on Women is commonplace in many countries. It is something that realy irritates the hell out of me. In the Middle Eastern world a woman is not treated with the respect that she deserves, that is a cultural thing. The beating however is wrong and that was rightly stopped. It is quite sad to see that she was quite prepared to accept a weekly beating.
If divorcing a violent partner were that easy we wouldn\'t need safe houses for victims of domestic violence as the abuser usualy intimidates a person that much that they begin to feel they deserve the treatment they get or they believe that their partner will change.
As well as if they do get away their violent partner still manages to make their life a misery.
Personaly I think the abusers should be given a taste of their own medicine.
Unfortunately beating on Women is commonplace in many countries. It is something that realy irritates the hell out of me. In the Middle Eastern world a woman is not treated with the respect that she deserves, that is a cultural thing. The beating however is wrong and that was rightly stopped. It is quite sad to see that she was quite prepared to accept a weekly beating.
If divorcing a violent partner were that easy we wouldn\'t need safe houses for victims of domestic violence as the abuser usualy intimidates a person that much that they begin to feel they deserve the treatment they get or they believe that their partner will change.
As well as if they do get away their violent partner still manages to make their life a misery.
Personaly I think the abusers should be given a taste of their own medicine.
That reminds me.....
Slightly off-topic, but still about culture.
I was watching a survival programme the other day, where an ex SAS expert goes around the world living off the land.
He\'s in the depths of the jungle hanging out with some native types and getting them to show him how they get sustenance from the jungle. At one point they have to cook some meat they have acquired and dutifully start rubbing bits of wood together etc. After about half an hour, with not a spark in site, they finally admit to this SAS guy that they have forgotten how to make fire as they now rely on matches and lighters
Apparently one of the poor sods would have to endure a week long boat ride down river to trade with the nearest settlement for matches and lighters otherwise it was raw monkey all round...
The SAS guy took pity on them and gave them all lessons in traditional methods of fire starting for which they were truly grateful.
I love that story....
Slightly off-topic, but still about culture.
I was watching a survival programme the other day, where an ex SAS expert goes around the world living off the land.
He\'s in the depths of the jungle hanging out with some native types and getting them to show him how they get sustenance from the jungle. At one point they have to cook some meat they have acquired and dutifully start rubbing bits of wood together etc. After about half an hour, with not a spark in site, they finally admit to this SAS guy that they have forgotten how to make fire as they now rely on matches and lighters
Apparently one of the poor sods would have to endure a week long boat ride down river to trade with the nearest settlement for matches and lighters otherwise it was raw monkey all round...
The SAS guy took pity on them and gave them all lessons in traditional methods of fire starting for which they were truly grateful.
I love that story....
Off topic still but..
Yeah, I love it when I am watching a story about a \"primitive tribe whose lifestyle has not changed for thousands of years\", and there are some of them running around in Izod shirts or Nike hats.....
EDIT: Does it mean you have truly grasped the mystical \"Ways of the Forum\" when you participate in the hi-jacking of your own thread?
Yeah, I love it when I am watching a story about a \"primitive tribe whose lifestyle has not changed for thousands of years\", and there are some of them running around in Izod shirts or Nike hats.....
EDIT: Does it mean you have truly grasped the mystical \"Ways of the Forum\" when you participate in the hi-jacking of your own thread?
While I totally agrre with most of what you\'re saying, I just think this is totally wrong. Violence breeds violence, most of the abusers were probably abused themselves, and instead of pouring gasoline on the fire we ned to put it out. So to speak. Anger management or whatever, but just something to stop them from hitting their kids who will grow up hitting their kids (and possibly wifes too) and so on.
And again, everyone says it\'s cultural, and yes, it is to an extent, but if it was strictly cultural, how come this is so common in our western \"civilized\" cultures as well?
I think by saying it is \"cultural\", people are saying that such behavior is actually condoned and in the open in some cultures, whereas (even though it still happens) it is more of a \"dirty little secret\" in Western culture. it certainly sounds like the woman in that story has been brainwashed by her \"culture\" to think that some level of beating is her lot.
tidoco2222
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Thank you primeval that is basically the point that I was trying to get accross. You only have to look at the control a middle eastern man has over a middle eastern woman on everyday issues such as how to dress and so forth to see the male dominance of the culture.
And Astonia you are right it is totally wrong and the fact that the court banned this behaviour shows that even they saw that.
However to change behaviour on that scale would mean that they would have to change their attitudes towards women and that would mean a change of how a woman\'s status is percieved at a cultural level.
But I say again it is very wrong and I do not in any way agree with behaviour like this whether it be towards a woman, child or indeed another man.
And Astonia you are right it is totally wrong and the fact that the court banned this behaviour shows that even they saw that.
However to change behaviour on that scale would mean that they would have to change their attitudes towards women and that would mean a change of how a woman\'s status is percieved at a cultural level.
But I say again it is very wrong and I do not in any way agree with behaviour like this whether it be towards a woman, child or indeed another man.
The problem is that anger management wouldn\'t really help. Sure it would help some people. But generally the whole domestic abuse thing is about power. And don\'t think that domestic abuse is confined to men beating up women. Just because the thought of a woman abusing a man is generally laughable (Hides from tooshy and her molegrips) Mental abuse can be as much if not more harmful. And woman tend to be masters at anything involving mind games.
It\'ll take education and a hell of a lot of time - especially in places where there is an enormous blur between religion, politics and culture.
I understand that religion is part of someones culture, but not al culture comes from religion. There are a lot of rules out in these places that are generally considered part of religious doctrines, but are in fact cultural. Its quite difficult to separate the two...
I understand that religion is part of someones culture, but not al culture comes from religion. There are a lot of rules out in these places that are generally considered part of religious doctrines, but are in fact cultural. Its quite difficult to separate the two...
vincegamer
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Actually, they don\'t. Most people don\'t give a damn or merely want to be left alone by the rest of the world (or make the rest of the world change) but the government does, and the court, as part of the government, did not allow it to occur, even though the woman asked it to.
Because if she left him she would have nowhere to go and would probably die a violent death in the street?
vincegamer
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I think it is a mistake to refer to \"Muslim/Islam culture\". Muslims are people who follow the faith called Islam. It\'s like the fact that I am American means I\'m considered part of \"Judeo/Christian\" culture, even though I am neither Jewish nor Christian. Besides, Jesus Christ, so far as the Gospels go, was a communist.
Anyway, it would be better to say \"Arabic\" culture or \"Mid-Eastern\" culture just as it would to say European or American or Western culture. There are many Muslims all around the world, making Islam something other than the culture of the Fertile Crescent, and so far as I recall, the Quran does not tell them to beat their wives.
vincegamer
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Finn,
What is SAS, and how does one become expert at it?
What is SAS, and how does one become expert at it?
tidoco2222
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What is SAS
The SAS is a special force of the British armed forces and it stands for Special Air Service.
I don\'t know how you become an expert at it other than it is a highly skilled wing of the armed forces used on covert missions and such like throughout the world.
I do know you have to be a bit of a nutter to actually get in.
Rather like the U.S. Navy Seals I think.
They played a big part in both the Iraq conflicts you may have heard of a book by ex SAS soldier Chris Ryan \"Bravo Two Zero\" which describes one such operation in Iraq during the first Gulf War conflict.
The SAS is a special force of the British armed forces and it stands for Special Air Service.
I don\'t know how you become an expert at it other than it is a highly skilled wing of the armed forces used on covert missions and such like throughout the world.
I do know you have to be a bit of a nutter to actually get in.
Rather like the U.S. Navy Seals I think.
They played a big part in both the Iraq conflicts you may have heard of a book by ex SAS soldier Chris Ryan \"Bravo Two Zero\" which describes one such operation in Iraq during the first Gulf War conflict.
Special Air Service..
Elite British force. Smallest unit in the armed forces I believe, but they use more ammunition than all the rest combined, because they constantly train with live ammo.
Formed during the Second World War to cause maximum mayhem in the desert. Supposed to be secretive, but have films, books and TV series made about them all the time
Elite British force. Smallest unit in the armed forces I believe, but they use more ammunition than all the rest combined, because they constantly train with live ammo.
Formed during the Second World War to cause maximum mayhem in the desert. Supposed to be secretive, but have films, books and TV series made about them all the time
