Terrorist action in India
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Shawn R. L.
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It\'s a matter of degrees. Just as there will always be a need for police in society, sadly, we must be prepared to do war. To what level that goes is debatable. Peace is not simply the absense of fighting. It would be WONDERFUL if it were that simple, it really would. You say: \"the war that goes on forever\" - That\'s simply the state of the world. Always has been, always will be. There has been and always will be those that have good will and those that seek evil. To hope for no conflict is nice but dangerously wishful thinking. To walk in this world with that mindset will be to invite death, ruin, and slavery.
Many are not at all base and vulgar, they have been pushed into a corner from which they see no other option than violence. I\'m not condeming violence, but how many times must you watch your family and friends be abused or your basic human rights trampled on before you consider the only solution to be violence?
As has been said many times before, one mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter.
Lets take a look at Israel now, in trying to get back 2 soldiers they have killed ~55 innocent civilians and set the whole region on a path to war. I bet there are now a number of perfectly innocent upright citizens who are demanding a retalitory strike against Israel, they after all are innocent, it wasn;t them, it wasn;t even their governement, yet they are dying, and they want something done about it. See how each side is a terrorist to the other?
Its very simple violence begets violence and it only ends when one side has crushed the other. Even then you run the risk of setting up hate and tensions that last for years (just look at northern ireland, still going after hundreds of years).
Don\'t get me wrong, I\'m all for defending yourself. Its just that terrorism by its very nature is a VERY hard (if not impossible) problem to solve and a violent response often just makes things worse.
Finally it makes me sick how pathetic humankind is. What is wrong with people? Why so much hate? Its like we are collectively insane or something.
Fizl
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Originally posted by supervike
Originally posted by Fizl
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Avelorn
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I agree. There is no and never will be an evil gene. Conflicts are complicated matter that shouldn\'t be divided into black and white (what should?). I have hope for humanity as I everday see good examples to counter the bad provided by the media. How many guys do you know personally that you consider \"evil\"? I can\'t mention anyone. If you can mention several, do you think the difference is because we who live in Sweden are less evil than you? Or is it because we are brought up under other conditions? Maybe my selection of friends?
There are surely several factors, but the important things are that there is such a thing as a \"factor\" both in complicated things as in war and in each and everyone of our lives.There was an old guy on TV who has sat for jail for a majority of his life. He is a member of an organisation trying to support newly released prisoners so that they won\'t go back to their old life. They have over 5000 members now.. anyway. He said that you rarely see someone here without a broken childhood. But having absent parents or those who are abusing you does not necessarily for ever shape your future. There are ways that friends, relatives, school and society can take care of those who are unlucky. The same goes with wars, there are factors that might work to counter the \"determinated\" war. And if we isolate those and try to do something about them, the result would surely be better then building armies waiting for the \"inevitable\" war.
Therefor I still have faith in humankind and that we somewhere in the future might build a system that guarantee peace. It might not happen when I\'m still alive and it is not something that happens by itself. But if we fight for a more compassionate, trustful and peaceful world. Each and everyone of us can make a small difference. It is and always will be as foolish being a cynic as thinking it\'ll all change tomorrow.
Shawn R. L.
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Do a google search for the video of Nick Berg getting his head SAWED off by gleeful guys chanting \'God is great\'. If you can see that and not see that evil is a very real thing then you are the one who will never truely enderstand and not effectively deal with conflicts such as we are now engaged in. To be ignorant of what you are really dealing with is disasterous. BTW - That Nick Berg video is the real deal and not for the squeamish.
@Shawn
I didn\'t say evil don\'t exist! I only said that dividing everything in either good or evil isn\'t helping us dealing with conflicts. I have seen the Nick Berg video, and of course I think that is an evil action. But, stating that the guys on that video are evil doesn\'t help me understand the conflict that is going on or what the best way to deal with it is. Also, does it make the adversaries to those guys automatically good? How many innocent civilians have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan by US and British forces? Is the guy who drops a bomb that kills 50 civilians evil? What\'s the difference between dropping a bomb from a plane and putting a bomb on a bus if the outcome is basically the same? I can\'t answer these questions, but I merely ask them to show how problematic it gets when you try to claim that some people are evil and some are not. The actions that kill innocent people are surely evil, but you get into all sorts of difficulties when you say certain people are evil. And it certainly doesn\'t help understanding complicated conflicts.
I didn\'t say evil don\'t exist! I only said that dividing everything in either good or evil isn\'t helping us dealing with conflicts. I have seen the Nick Berg video, and of course I think that is an evil action. But, stating that the guys on that video are evil doesn\'t help me understand the conflict that is going on or what the best way to deal with it is. Also, does it make the adversaries to those guys automatically good? How many innocent civilians have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan by US and British forces? Is the guy who drops a bomb that kills 50 civilians evil? What\'s the difference between dropping a bomb from a plane and putting a bomb on a bus if the outcome is basically the same? I can\'t answer these questions, but I merely ask them to show how problematic it gets when you try to claim that some people are evil and some are not. The actions that kill innocent people are surely evil, but you get into all sorts of difficulties when you say certain people are evil. And it certainly doesn\'t help understanding complicated conflicts.
philologus
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Shawn R. L.
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Sorry if I misunderstood. My point was not addressing a specific action but that it seems that (and here I made an assumption on you, sorry ) some nowadays have a very Pollianish view that if you have a march, sing Give Peace a Chance and talk to people who thirst for innocent blood that all will come out well.
The bomb that is ment for a terrorist and kills innocents instead? I have trouble with that too....I dont see a perfect, pretty awnser to an ugly problem. This is a conflict where there are BIG problems whichever way you go. Just, which is bigger. Where\'s Solomen when you need him?
Hieronymus
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Originally posted by Dragonsreach
The grudge between Ireland and England 500+ years. (oh and if you think it\'s over, watch the news about the Orange Lodge parades, due to start this weekend. )Originally posted by supervike
Oh come on! They can\'t keep this going on forever can they...I mean how long do those guys hold a grudge?
EDIT: Sorry I did not want my reply to sound trite or unsympathetic, terrorist actions are something I hate.
I have ended up with an incomplete posting due to a system failure. I did have a very long and rational post, which is lost now.
In Iran they still vilify Alexander the Great for defeating the Persian empire...2500 years ago. That\'s a grudge.
