The question that has plagued mankind for generations

[Jericho]

That went straight over my head too. I have all my ripped/downloaded stuff on iTunes and haven\'t paid a dime for anything other than the iPod itself...

BTW I use my cell phone for talking to people... I like having batteries left for that

 

[aosol]

I can tell you from experience that an Ipod (4 gig) can drop from 3 stories from a tree to soft earth and not break.

Nothing like being stuck in a tree, manually sawing hurricane brances and kicking it to some Journey tunes and then watching your $ 300 man toy drop to the floor! I didn\'t stop believing!

An Ipod can drop 3 feet from your miniature table to the carpet and the left ear phone will stop working.

 

[Jericho]

Mac headphones are incredibly fragile though, that\'s something you have to be careful about. The nanos and whatnot are surprisingly durable because they\'re basically a glorified flash drive, not like the 30-160 gig hard drive kinda ones. Those can get messed up a lot easier.

Heh, I\'m a freak

 

[PegaZus]

Last year, I was repairing iPod minis and putting them back on to eBay. Loved getting the ones where the headphones wouldn\'t work. The circuit card had usually popped off, and it took about five minutes to repair.

Still didn\'t help me from losing a good wad of money, but I\'m happy that I can fix my mini without having to send it anywhere. Nanos, on the other hand, are junk once they break.

 

[Modderrhu]

Originally posted by matty1001
And yes, please explain the paying twice debate.

Happily

So, you\'ve bought iTunes, have you? Oops, you can\'t use them anywhere else now, so if you want to play the music on a Windows PC or other MP3 player, you\'ll have to buy it again.

What about the music someone already has for a PC or MP3 player? If they bought an iPod, they\'d have to buy the music again. (I could be wrong on this, but I\'m fairly sure about it) If you\'ve bought the CD, what then?

iPod and iTunes does not encourage fair-use.

 

[matty1001]

Well any Cd\'s you import arn\'t \'tied\' to iTunes and can be used anywhere else.
Any music downloaded externally of iTunes can be imported and used on any player/machine.

Any music downloaded on iTunes with the DRM on can be use on 5 diffrent computers, PC or Mac.

Plus now iTunes sell DRM free music:
http://mashable.com/2007/05/30/itunes-upgrade/
Which can be played anywhere and older music librarys can be updated and the DRM\'s taken off.
(Albeit at a slightly higher price)

I see no problems whatsoever. Except for the fact song\'s cost more in the UK than anywhere else in Europe.

 

[PegaZus]

Originally posted by Modderrhu

Originally posted by matty1001
And yes, please explain the paying twice debate.

Happily

So, you\'ve bought iTunes, have you? Oops, you can\'t use them anywhere else now, so if you want to play the music on a Windows PC or other MP3 player, you\'ll have to buy it again.

What about the music someone already has for a PC or MP3 player? If they bought an iPod, they\'d have to buy the music again. (I could be wrong on this, but I\'m fairly sure about it) If you\'ve bought the CD, what then?

iPod and iTunes does not encourage fair-use.

Matty hits on it a little, and while it is a little more work, there is a work around.

Once you\'ve got it from iTunes, make an audio CD of it. CDs are cheap. I\'ve gotten blanks for free before using rebates. Take that new CD, rip the tracks as MP3s, then put those back into iTunes. I usually move the original iTunes files to an archive where the software doesn\'t find it and run with just the MP3s.

 

[lahatiel]

Originally posted by Modderrhu

Originally posted by matty1001
And yes, please explain the paying twice debate.

Happily

So, you\'ve bought iTunes, have you? Oops, you can\'t use them anywhere else now, so if you want to play the music on a Windows PC or other MP3 player, you\'ll have to buy it again.

What about the music someone already has for a PC or MP3 player? If they bought an iPod, they\'d have to buy the music again. (I could be wrong on this, but I\'m fairly sure about it) If you\'ve bought the CD, what then?

Um, wrong and wrong. Matty and PegaZus have covered most of it, but you must\'ve skipped where I said in an earlier post:

Originally posted by lahatiel
I\'ve never payed for any song I own more than once, and I can and do listen to them all on my computer, iPod (got rid of the big one but almost forgot I still have a Shuffle I use while snowboarding), cellphone, Samsung MP3 player when I still had it, and my car\'s CD player.

Now, then, with that said...

Originally posted by Modderrhu
iPod and iTunes does not encourage fair-use.

Now that point, I\'ll admit, is at least open to debate -- albeit for other reasons. But when you\'re still saying \"it can\'t be done\" after a bunch of us have said \"um, we do it all the time,\" then I have to think the rest of your arguments have lost a little steam.