War: pros and cons

[philologus]

Originally posted by airhead
Made me go back and re-read Acts. Thanks.

But:
Matthew 15:11

11What goes into a man\'s mouth does not make him \'unclean,\' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him \'unclean.\' \"

and like much of Christ\'s teachings, it has several meanings.

and
1Timothy 4:3-5

3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

All true Airhead. Which is why I indicated that it is important to understand that salvation is not contingent upon diet. Paul spent much of the space in his epistles explaining this very thing to the Jewish Christians trying to impose orthodoxy upon new, Gentile Christians. e.g. Colossians 2:16 My point is that for believers of the Bible, a few \"tenets\" become apparent. For example: As sin and iniquity have had their effect on the human body we are degenerating more and more (e.g. truncated lifespans) What was healthy for us in ancient times probably applies more now. Ask your doctor about the other white meat, shellfish and the other unclean foods and it becomes apparent why they were prohibited.

If you want to chat more PM me. I love these discussions with other believers.

 

[vincegamer]

what, you don\'t like to discuss with us unbelievers?

As to truncated life spans, our life spans are much longer now than they were in \"ancient times\" though contrary to popular belief we are not really taller.

 

[Sand Rat]

Originally posted by vincegamer
what, you don\'t like to discuss with us unbelievers?

As to truncated life spans, our life spans are much longer now than they were in \"ancient times\" though contrary to popular belief we are not really taller.

Vince, I wont quote law like a lawyer, you dont do anthropology like an anthropologist, ok? Cause on average, we are larger than our ancestors -

 

[philologus]

Originally posted by vincegamer
what, you don\'t like to discuss with us unbelievers?

As to truncated life spans, our life spans are much longer now than they were in \"ancient times\" though contrary to popular belief we are not really taller.

I love to discuss with non-believers as well. Usually when these topics occurr on the boards though, some individuals feel that I am \"forcing my religion on them\".

As for the truncated lifespans, some of us believe in the literal truth of the Bible. Methuselah lived 969 years, Lamech 777, Noah 800+. I doubt that I will live that long. Height is not really mentioned in the Bible with the exception of the giants (Rephaim etc.)

 

[vincegamer]

Originally posted by steelcult
Vince, I wont quote law like a lawyer, you dont do anthropology like an anthropologist, ok? Cause on average, we are larger than our ancestors -

Okay, I take it back, or rather I put a caveat on it.
Throughout the entire evolutionary chain leading to modern humans we are certainly bigger than average.
However, the average height of an Englishman in the year 1000: 5\'9\"
The average height of an Englishman in the year 2000: 5\'9\"
Changes in diet greatly affect height, as do other environmental factors. I just get tired of people saying how much taller we are than we used to be. It\'s true the urban dwellers during the early period of the industrial revolution were shorter but they didn\'t eat well and were exposed to some nasty stuff.
See, I went to all the trouble of getting my undergrad and graduate degrees in history, with course work in anthropology, archaeology and religious studies, so I am afraid I won\'t be able to curb my tongue. However, I am always willing to bow to superior knowledge.

 

[vincegamer]

Originally posted by philologusI love to discuss with non-believers as well. Usually when these topics occurr on the boards though, some individuals feel that I am \"forcing my religion on them\".

Well, some people are babies. I\'m not forced to read this thread.

As for the truncated lifespans, some of us believe in the literal truth of the Bible. Methuselah lived 969 years, Lamech 777, Noah 800+. I doubt that I will live that long.

Well, okay, certainly you can name several people who are credited with extremely long lives. However, those are always special people. Most people didn\'t live so long. Readers are supposed to aspire to being as holy and faithful as Noah so that they may be rewarded with long life, but most of us fall short.

 

[philologus]

Originally posted by vincegamer

Originally posted by philologusI love to discuss with non-believers as well. Usually when these topics occurr on the boards though, some individuals feel that I am \"forcing my religion on them\".

Well, some people are babies. I\'m not forced to read this thread.

As for the truncated lifespans, some of us believe in the literal truth of the Bible. Methuselah lived 969 years, Lamech 777, Noah 800+. I doubt that I will live that long.

Well, okay, certainly you can name several people who are credited with extremely long lives. However, those are always special people. Most people didn\'t live so long. Readers are supposed to aspire to being as holy and faithful as Noah so that they may be rewarded with long life, but most of us fall short.

You have to read the entire book front to back to see my point. These lifespans were average for biblical individuals. Take a stroll through Genesis chapter 5. The generations are shown in order with lifespans. The lifespans were typical in the ages when we were closer to \"perfection\". As sin and iniquity increased in the Earth and humans grew in disobedience lifespans were consequently shorter as we became more degenerate. (more law was added as we created new evils to perpetrate) In addition God truncated the human lifespan and eventually limited it to 120 years. Following the lifespans delineated in Gen. 5 chapter 6 gives God\'s explanation for the limit He imposed. The life of Nimrod is a splendid example of why humans should no longer live that long (see the book of Genesis chapter 11. (imagine a tyrant who had 4-500 years to screw around with). This is not my own speculation but standard doctrine with literal believers.

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

We were created to be immortal in body and spirit. Now our spirit is immortal but our flesh is corrupt. The length of life was not a reward for \"holiness\" Enoch was mentioned in the same chapter (Gen:5) as being \"perfect\" and he was taken by God as a reward, he would likely have lived much longer but his reward was to walk with God.

Gen 5:23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:


Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he [was] not; for God took him.


The only example of lifespan-reward is the promise given in the ten commandments: Exd 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

This promise took place after God truncated the human lifespan to 120.