Why are ratings so widely inconsistent on this website?

Milosh

New member
For some reason I am fascinated with this thread because the guy asked a question got a couple of answers he didn't like so he abandoned the site. I can understand the work one puts into a model and want the praise for it one thinks one deserves, but for Gods sake look at your work compared to someone elses work that has been doing it longer, then see if your figure is still as awesome as you think. His scores are way on course, he is just pissed because of the work he put into one over the other. Too bad he left because he really could have learned a lot on this site and maybe even learn to stop using washes as his primary shading technique.
 

shponglefan

New member
If scores on this site are what is important to you, then you are painting for all the wrong reasons.

IHMO, the best way to improve is to start a WIP log and post your work there. Then you'll get real constructive feedback you can use.
 

moonmin82

New member
So, a little about me I'm a brand new painter, have maybe 2 months under my belt now, and about 40 miniatures

I think here lies the problem... When you concentrate on one paint job in two months, that is when you should hope for an epic score :)

Also, as a "brand new painter" you are just learning so don't be put off at this very early stage :)
 

Tommie Soule

New member
Well i do believe i will expand on my contribution to this thread.

We are human......and we behave accordingly.
we do not behave how folk believe we 'SHOULD' behave, we behave how we DO behave.
What does this mean in my crazy world? It means there are Haters AND fans, And every notion inbetween, to the sides and above and below.
There are folk who would flame a post for fun or with the intent innocently offering 'critique'. both maybe considered 'hurtful'.
There are folk who praise a post either because they are fans of a painter of because actual skill is displayed.
there are people who are a combination of all of the above in any amount in any given situation
and our reactions to these are just as INDIVIDUAL

We are human

I have had to deal with my fair share of lovers and haters and all those in between. (check out some of the comments on my gorbad ironclaw which was on a 3.5 at one point)
I thank them all for being who they are.
the haters helped me UP MY FUCKING GAME!
The lovers help me feel glad that i did.

We are human and we behave accordingly and i love you all for it

T

(sorry bout the language)
 

Tommie Soule

New member
Some notes on 'upping my game'

upping my game consists of;

1. analyzing where I went astray. this could be a painting thing or a behavioral thing around our community (i have been an idiot in some places and acknowledge that i seek to better myself.)

2. Improve in this area of 'astray'. e.g. get better at blending. or stop being an arse

3. reap the benefits of the new improved painter/person

T
 

skeeve

Member
You would never catch me photoshopping - :shock:

Sigvald by 10 ball

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What do you mean you did not phoptoshoped it. Of cause you have! Here is as a tru, genuine work of art. I should know, I painted it! (Sorry, could not resist)
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I would like to also point out that from this site perspective if you carefully analyze deviation of any given rating you would realize that 0.6 is actually pretty close to standard deviation for all ratings above 3 and below 9. So basically, from a statistical point of view 0.6 difference essentially means that raters do not see a difference between these minies. THey might be very different for an author but not for a statistical rater
 

sm51498

New member
Statistically speaking, rating anything 1-10 is rife with issues. There are a number of studies out there finding that people cannot generally distinguish between a 9 and a 10 essentially making them the same score, if you actually even use the whole of the scoring system. Examine your own rating practices, I think you will find that you have a really good idea of what a 5,6,7,8,9 and 10 look like for you but not 1-5. In other words, for the vast majority of models on here we rate them on a 1-5 scale. I would argue that the rating should be a 1-5 scale and would make the resulting scores that much more valid. It also would lower the warping effects of sniping or people that just rate stuff 10's.
 

AndyG

Active member
I never thought if it like that but you definitely have a point I've voted on thousands of monies and I can't remember the last time I gave a four! I normaly give a five for erm well yeah any way moving on ;) six is good seven yep good blending and colour choice eight is bloody great and nine is fantastic unbelievable ten is simply the best. So it does seem over half the scale I almost never use weird but true.
 

Dragonsreach

Super Moderator
Staff member
Well I've just had a salutory reminder that what I thought looked good, is falling well short of the srandard of painting being shown at Euro-Militaire.

Am I discouraged.....Nah. It's just given me cause to work harder and "Pull my socks up"
 
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Chrispy

Active member
I deal with harsh criticism the way any other artist deals with it:
I throw a fit, tear up something, vow to never work again.. then get over it and get back to what I was doing.. :giggle:

But I do know that downrating and "stuffing the ballot box" goes on around here and I kinda wish there was something in the program that would discount the votes that are way off.

But, what it all comes down to:
Haters+gonna+hate.+found+on+mlp+Enjoy_cd57fd_3633652.gif
 

Routaporsas

New member
I think that even though niexist might not read this topic anymore, it is a good reminder (again) for us and specially for painters who have just started this hobby and are posting minis here. Though I have admit that sometimes I have also wondered difference between some works what comes to the votes and ratings, but I suppose it is like being said; there is a x number of reasons why people vote like they do. No one can't predict how it might go.
Also it is important to remember that while being happy and proud of what you have painted is a positive thing, you can sometimes become blind to some more or less obvious mistakes (guilty here). Mean and spiteful voting or commenting is not a good behavior even in the internet, but people should also be able to take critique and constructive feedback even when someone might point some issues regarding your work, that you might not see there. Try to see if there actually is some valid points and if you should actually imporove some parts to get better votes for example.
 

TrystanGST

New member
I don't know - people that are going to vote a 1 (or a 10?) are going to vote those regardless of what everyone else is voting.
 

Artisanspalette

New member
I really really like what you have done with the base. I am super new to painting mini's but am entirely in love with and fascinated by the work I have seen so far on this site! Very inspirational. I doubt I will ever put mini's up for vote, but I will be posting some that I have done for feedback.

~Artisanspalette

You would never catch me photoshopping - :shock:

Sigvald by 10 ball

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TrystanGST

New member
I really really like what you have done with the base. I am super new to painting mini's but am entirely in love with and fascinated by the work I have seen so far on this site! Very inspirational. I doubt I will ever put mini's up for vote, but I will be posting some that I have done for feedback.

~Artisanspalette

I hate to burst your bubble - but that's not a real entry. It's a photoshop of a bunch of entries mashed together. It was done as a joke - although that base IS a real base for some figure. Just not this one.
 

graymouser17

New member
i had the same problem because i entered my first figure at MFCA in 1973 it was a Ral Partha figure which i won certiticate of merit for it in junior catergory at the age 23 years old.
 

Bailey03

Well-known member
Interesting discussion... and a little depressing since the original poster gave up on this site so quickly. I too would be interested in seeing the "clear examples of photoshopping on models." As for me, the only thing I use photoshop for is to resize my pictures and make collages. The rest is a cheapo light box, daylight bulbs, and a printed photo background.

I have seen pictures where people are clearly gaming the votes. A model that's maybe a 5 or 6 is scoring a 9.8 with 1000 votes after one day, clearly the poster is doing something to rig the system. But, so what? If you're going to cheat the votes, you know what you've done and most of the rest of us do too. It's just sad. There are also people who vote 1's on figures that deserve 9's or 10's. Again, it's sad that they can't appreciate good work and what to drag down someone else's rating out of spite. But you get a community as large as CMON and there will also be people who do those sorts of things. I'm actually happy we don't have more of them. (Trystan, posting 6 pics of the same figure is also a pet peeve of mine... not cheating, but I'm not a fan of it)

As for the original poster's question (and anyone with the same question, since he's probably not reading this), keep in mind you can only vote in whole numbers. There are a lot of figures I'd like to give a 9.4 or an 8.7, etc. I'm forced to round up or down. As a result, you should not focus too much on differences of 0.6 or the like. Voting is not an exact science. What I think you should try to do is continue to post your work and see what scores you get on average. I think most of us who post regularly here have figures that get scores we think are too low. Maybe its the subject matter or I took bad pictures or I just don't see the flaws (I often have selective vision for my own work). But if I look at my 3 or 4 most recent scores and compare that with the 3 or 4 before that and then the 3 or 4 before that I start to see that things are improving.

Time also plays a role in how people vote. The standards are slowly creeping up. So a figure posted in 2006 that got a 9 might score much lower if posted today. So if you compare your model to others with the same score, check the date and see when those were posted.

Finally, keep in mind this is a site with an international audience and many of the best mini painters in the world. If you take your figures to your local gaming shop you might be a big fish in a small pond. Well, now you're in the freaking ocean. The original poster mentioned dakkadakka. It's a fine site, but my impression is it is more focused on gamers rather than painters. Their community and CMON's are going to have a different view on what is a 'good' paint job.

CMON has a lot of great people who are happy to offer advice and help people improve. If this is what you are looking for, please start a WIP thread in the forums or post in the Discuss Submissions section. The forum here is a much better place to get constructive criticism. You can still post in the main gallery, nothing wrong with that, but you'll get much better feedback if you also are active in the forums.
 

Demihuman

Active member
This:

"If you take your figures to your local gaming shop you might be a big fish in a small pond. Well, now you're in the freaking ocean."

and it breaks my heart.

And this:

"The forum here is a much better place to get constructive criticism. You can still post in the main gallery, nothing wrong with that, but you'll get much better feedback if you also are active in the forums."

I am always sort of suprised when I see WIPs in the gallery. Did they not know there was a forum? Do they think it's just a bunch of judgemental neck-bearded mouth breathing arm-chair painters sitting around hastling newbs?

Seriously though the main gallery = snipering, photoshopping, e-bay scamming, 40k fan boys
Forum = warm fuzzy feeling from from incredibly talented, good looking, artists and craftspeople that may also have an appreciation of the finer points of WH40k.

;) $.02
 

Zab

New member
"The original poster mentioned dakkadakka. It's a fine site, but my impression is it is more focused on gamers rather than painters. Their community and CMON's are going to have a different view on what is a 'good' paint job."

YESSSSS! It's why I chose C'MON over DakkaDakka. I am getting out of gaming and into a cabinet painting type of groove. Dakka = gamers, C'MON = world class and aspiring artists. There is more opportunity for those who want to learn here ;)
 

graymouser17

New member
instead of just only rating a person if the person has a problem with his painting tell me how to fix it gently and not just heavy criticism but help out with problem either do that or tell me about some dvd that might help solve his or her problem that is all i just is helps everyone .
 
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