Why should a sculpt affect the score?

[UncleHex]

I must say, BME, after your vivid description I was tempted to sculpt one myself
But on topic....as it seems established we vote on the whole appearance of a mini, then I think the quality and choice of figure surely has to impact on the score.
You can\'t polish a turd, as they say, never mind paint one

 

[Big Mean Elf]

Hey Hex...I will if you do one to.....lol!

Peace!

 

[]V[etalhead]

Choice and preparation of materials is part of any art, whether it\'s oil painting, watercolors, drawing, calligraphy, or miniature painting.

Just as a realist painter would be criticised for painting a piece on burlap, a miniature painter should be criticised for not doing all in his (or her) power to make the best platform for their craft.

 

[finn17]

Clever clogs

Originally posted by ]V[etalhead
Choice and preparation of materials is part of any art, whether it\'s oil painting, watercolors, drawing, calligraphy, or miniature painting.

Just as a realist painter would be criticised for painting a piece on burlap, a miniature painter should be criticised for not doing all in his (or her) power to make the best platform for their craft.

That\'s exactly what I was trying to say, only you made it sound so simple.:flip:

 

[silverandblackattack]

difficult question

It\'s hard to say what influence a sculpt has. I am amazed when I see a boring sculpt turned into a great vision by a talented painter, but I also get bored seeing skeletons, orcs,goblins etc. Not to say there aren\'t great ones out there. A sculpt with lots of detail is more difficult to paint so that also increases a score. Most people don\'t appreciate Grenadier sculpts but I usually rate them higher out of nostalgia. Also, GW does bring in a fan boy factor.

 

[laurence]

An apology in is order

Originally posted by Big Mean Elf
I will...lol...how many you want?


BME poses a seriouse art fart queston...

Qo cute young farm girls need to have the boom boom bodies bearly covered with ripped up jean shorts that are all up (in the rear)and all down (on the belly) the hips...and do they need to have a tied belly shirt that lets the bottoms of them big boobs hang out a bit?

A:YES!

And of course they need to be bear footed and have cute long pony tailes...it should be simple do the point of absurdaty....lol...who the heck wants an ugly skinny flat chested square rumped mud fench girl in a full pair of over alls...

I don`t care how nice the pig smells...lol!


:flame:



And who in the world would want to paint it,uhh the ugly one,that is...?

:innocent:

Peace!

I was just reading over this thread, which mysteriously resurfaced from the depths of the CMON forum vaults and realised that I never replied to you.

Sorry mate!!!

I\'d love to buy one of those cool sounding minis from ya, but in reality I\'m struggling to buy a loaf of bread, lets just say my piggy bank is empty...

Its a shame \'cause I really wanted to prove my theory that pigs really could fly

Rock on

 

[Big Mean Elf]

It`s cool man.

I might send you some stuff for just be`n cool man,for free,even.

Dude I was homeless not to many years ago,so rock chine up brother,God willl help you if you help yourself.


Sorry,did not mean to get to damn seriouse on you,just say`n...if your tight for bread,times change and your luck will turn!


Give it time...lol!




Peace.

 

[johnboyjjb]

My only complaint about being voted on sculpts doesn\'t apply much to me. I buy a lot of \"junk\" minis because so far this year I have bought a house, a car, and made it through my first year of marriage. Almost all my minis are gifts or 75% off grab bag deals. Thats why you will start seeing more pics of my guys with the line \"I don\'t have a clue what this is\" I don\'t like being punished because I can\'t afford to buy the good minis. Fortunately, my painting isn\'t good enough to warrant being dropped points for a bad sculpt.
:bouncy:

 

[finn17]

Hmm..difficult but

I am afraid the only answer to that one is ...tough! Don\'t mean to sound harsh but for the price of a \'grab bag\' you could probably buy one good mini. Also, IMO you will often get more respect for an \'average\' mini well done than a classic sculpt b*ggered about by a sausage fingered novice. Check out the \'Boring into art\' thread for more info on this problem/challenge:bouncy:

Just to put things into context, I also got married this year, my car is about to \'die\' and I have been trying to run two houses for the last two years as my old house just wont sell. Totally OT I know but I am a bit paranoid at the moment about being too blunt:bouncy:lol:bouncy:

 

[calabdark]

well i tend to give a bonus point if the mini has been converted and improved the original scult and on the other end of the scale i deduct a point if someone has made a perfectly good sculpt look like poo with their conversion.of course i dont always know if a mini has been converted in which case i just vote on the paintjob, which kind of makes my scale -1 to 11, but there are variables, since i cant vote an 11 a 9 rated mini with a good conversion will attain a 10 which will mean i will score 10 rated paintjob with a good conversion a 10 as well, no one sai life is fair

 

[kittykat23uk]

Getting back on topic, I think you need to choose a sculpt at a level that you feel you can do justice to. For example, if you are just starting out, a good Rackham sculpt may not be the best choice as with so much detail you may not be able to do justice to it.

Clearly certain people have a painting ability such that they can really make a poorer sculpt shine. At this level of talent, these people can pretty much choose any sculpt and paint it so that it scores well.

But for a more average painter, a good or bad sculpt can both adversely affect the score- depending on how well executed the painting is.

For me, I vote on overall image presented by the photograph. Sculpt is only one of the aspects to take into account when scoring. But I am more likely to rate something well if I can connect to it.

Just my two pence worth.

Kat :bouncy:

 

[johnboyjjb]

All I was saying FInn was that for the price of one good mini I can get 5 decent ones. Which at this point in time I need more practice. What does it matter how good the mini is if I can\'t do justice to a $15 one? Times are tight. I think the only way a sculpt should directly effect a score is when a poor sculpt has been improved or a good sculpt has been ruined. Of course a good sculpt will get a higher score but only if it is done well. In the same painters hands a poor sculpt should be able to score highly becuase the painter will overcome the sculpts problems. Of course that can only go so far.

 

[Lurch]

This conversation was taken up before.
I dont remember what the forum entry was but I do remember it had to do with a miniature that Vincegamer had. I went back and found the mini
(you can take a look for yourself at http://www.coolminiornot.com/index.php?id=8498&c=All&m=All&nm=none )

Vincegamer did his usual great job of painting, but the figure wasn\'t even breaking a vote of 5. Vince, if I remember, was confused as to why he was getting ripped on for this mini. The consensus was that while the paint job was nice, and the added sword, although out of place, was nice as well, the sculpt itself just absolutely stunk. It was really hard just to figure out what the hell it was supposed to be. 280 votes later and the vote hasn\'t changed much if at all. If you get a chance, read the comments and you\'ll see what happened.
I have alot of respect for Vince as an artist and I believe some of his work is the best here. His Baywatch babe is a classic!

But this circa late 70\'s early 80\'s Troll piece definitely showed that, if you shine a turd and make it look pretty and add perfume to it, it still doesnt change the fact that you are looking at and smelling a turd. lol
(Sorry to bring this one back up Vince but it definitely is a good example!)

 

[Lurch]

I just found that old forum entry here:
http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=486

 

[johnboyjjb]

Hmm. . .

I stand corrected. Even a good painter cannot work miracleslol

 

[finn17]

Perfect example Lurch.

Lurch, as always cuts straight to the chase and provides perfect examples.

I actually am beginning to believe that there some sculpts that start out at a 5, there are others that start out at a 0. If you are an average painter who can add say, maybe 2-3 points to a sculpt......

I take the argument that practice makes perfect, but I would still rather have one good sculpt and a bottle of \'dip\' than some \'ambitious fishing leads\'.lol

 

[Flashman14]

Johnnyboy

What is your purpose in posting? If it\'s to get feedback on how to improve your skill then F the scores and take the feedback to heart. You\'ll improve with practice - don\'t take the scores so seriously - most people vote on how a mini is to compare to a Golden Demon winner anyway. F that kinda pressure if you\'re fairly new to the hobby . . . it\'s like beating up on a little leaguer for not being able to hit a Clemens fastball.

If you\'re competing for scores, however, then I\'m afraid Finn is right on - gotta appeal to the masses if points are everything.

My personal goal is not to win Golden Demons or Slayer Swords or anything like that but to paint the best quality gaming miniatures I can. I don\'t do display pieces or anything but I do like to think I can host a damn beautiful wargame.

At any rate I sometimes give an extra point on those old sculpts if they give me a nostalgic thrill and are painted well.

Also I\'m a sucker for action poses too so a guy fighting or charging or shooting is better then those statuesque, resting on shield or weapon poses. Oldies but goodies . . .:bouncy:

 

[calabdark]

i would say choosing the sculpt your going to paint is part of the artistic process reflecting your own tastes and style,i.e there are some minis i just wouldnt bother or want to paint because i dont think i will be able to get a pleasing result from them (e.g. new GW chaos ogres)