WIP First Post, need some help/insight DONE!

obsidianpainting

New member
AWESOME stuff man. It came along very nicely. im proud lol

Yah, do the grip in gold. For the tubing though. i would suggest another colour that isn\'t dark.. but isn\'t bright.. but is conflicting.. maybe do some of the chrome or other metal stuff you have on the mini? I\'m not sure really lol

Anyways man. This is awesome.. Cheers

Gary.
 

Backstabbeth

New member
Originally posted by mud duck
clean the flash out of the tubing on the spear.

Looking good. Wish that I could blead that good....

@mud duck
..........OH CRAP!... wow, i cant believe i left that stuff in there. I didnt even think about it.... man oh man i hope i can get it out without too much damage. thanks for the heads up :redface:lol

@scottradom
THANKS, wors of encouragement are always good.. soo close tooo done...
The face. hmm well of course, as i had posted in the blending for noobs thread
linky here the key was watered down paints. it took many layers of shadow and many layers of highlights and a lot of midtone repairs in between. I paint much slower than i feel is necessary so it would prolly take me longer than most. All in all I\'d say for the face 3 hours or so, I dont remember exactly. However, I am thinking of keeping a small journal for each figure that I do, which records the colors, techniques and times I use for each mini I paint along with a small but high quality picture of that figure, I think it would be a fantastic reference for myself. Years from now, after i have taken a few months off (as i do from time to time) I can look back and see what went well and what didint. plus the nostalgia alone would be great.

@Hestan101

how did you do the marbling?

I am pretty happy with the way it turned out since I kept it rather subdued. The trick there, was:

1. start from a base coat of chaos black, with a SMALL hint of dark angels green.

2.before the marble effect begins. SUBTLEY highlight upwards starting with 1/2 dark angels green and 1/2 Chaos black.

3.then full dark angels green,

4.then 1/2 DA green and half goblin green,

5.then very little goblin green.

to do this use the side of the brush in sweeping motions from the middle, toward the top of the staff and the bottom of the staff. highlight only a strip from the top to the bottom of the staff where the light would naturally fall. this strip gets thinner with each brighter highlight. Also, make the highlights more intense at the top and bottom (this will mainly be cheived by the direction of your brush. I let the paint dry between each stroke of the brush to see how intense the layer turned out then add another and another till I am satisfied or have made a mistake lol. but remember subtlety is the key here, dont go overboard on the highlights.

Now for the marble.

1.start with your dark angels green, and create a subtle vein patern oriented but not totally confined to the section of the staff that is highlighted, if you go too far out you can correct it with an upcomming step. Take a look online at how marble veins (granite veins) look and try to emulate that. remember to be basic, too much clutter will obscure the effect. you can be pretty vague and soft with your lines here as the next color will be a bit more refined.

2.Next, use the goblin green to add more distinction and definition to the DA green veins you created. Dont follow/fill in the DA green marble veins completely, just in enough to pick out the shape of the veins.

3.Finally, take some bleach bone (a cream white with a yellowish/greenish hue) and apply very fine lines in the middle of the veins. Dont use a brush too small or you wont be able to hold enough paint; it will dry in the middle of your stroke. I used a windsor and newton series 7 miniature 1 for this.

3.once you are happy with the result, re affirm the shadows that you may have gone into using the DA Green/ black mix. be subtle (i know ill stop subtle stuff now lol)
4.once done there, I used a few washes of diluted citadel dark green ink over the whole thing. This was done firstly, to make sure the bleach bone was not dominated the greens. Second, one of the qualities of inks that I dont like i actually used to my advantage here. The inks dry with a certain shine to them but not as much as say a gloss finish would. who knows, a gloss finish might even look pretty cool!

5. afterwords I went over some of the bleached bone again to make sure that I had adequate veins.

anyway, thats how I did it. I\'ll keep getting better at it as I try the style again and improve on the techniques i used. I wonder if anyone has done a write-up/article on marble effects for minis? if its something that people want and they think mine is OK maybe it would be fun to do one. :)
Again, thanks all for the input! really helps.

Cheers:beer:

Tim
 

hestan101

New member
Originally posted by Backstabbeth
Originally posted by mud duck
clean the flash out of the tubing on the spear.

Looking good. Wish that I could blead that good....

@mud duck
..........OH CRAP!... wow, i cant believe i left that stuff in there. I didnt even think about it.... man oh man i hope i can get it out without too much damage. thanks for the heads up :redface:lol

@scottradom
THANKS, wors of encouragement are always good.. soo close tooo done...
The face. hmm well of course, as i had posted in the blending for noobs thread
linky here the key was watered down paints. it took many layers of shadow and many layers of highlights and a lot of midtone repairs in between. I paint much slower than i feel is necessary so it would prolly take me longer than most. All in all I\'d say for the face 3 hours or so, I dont remember exactly. However, I am thinking of keeping a small journal for each figure that I do, which records the colors, techniques and times I use for each mini I paint along with a small but high quality picture of that figure, I think it would be a fantastic reference for myself. Years from now, after i have taken a few months off (as i do from time to time) I can look back and see what went well and what didint. plus the nostalgia alone would be great.

@Hestan101

how did you do the marbling?

I am pretty happy with the way it turned out since I kept it rather subdued. The trick there, was:

1. start from a base coat of chaos black, with a SMALL hint of dark angels green.

2.before the marble effect begins. SUBTLEY highlight upwards starting with 1/2 dark angels green and 1/2 Chaos black.

3.then full dark angels green,

4.then 1/2 DA green and half goblin green,

5.then very little goblin green.

to do this use the side of the brush in sweeping motions from the middle, toward the top of the staff and the bottom of the staff. highlight only a strip from the top to the bottom of the staff. this strip gets thinner with each brighter highlight. Also, make the highlights more intense at the top and bottom (this will mainly be cheived by the direction of your brush. I let the paint dry between each stroke of the brush to see how intense the layer turned out then add another and another till I am satisfied or have made a mistake lol. but remember subtlety is the key here, dont go overboard on the highlights.

Now for the marble.

1.start with your dark angels green, and create a subtle vein patern oriented but not totally confined to the section of the staff that is highlighted, if you go too far out you can correct it with an upcomming step. Take a look online at how marble veins (granite veins) look and try to emulate that. remember to be basic, too much clutter will obscure the effect. you can be pretty vague and soft with your lines here as the next color will be a bit more refined.

2.Next, use the goblin green to add more distinction and definition to the DA green vains you created. Do follow/ fill in the DA green marble veins completely, just in enough to pick out the shape of the veins.

3.Finally, take some bleach bone (a cream white with a yellowish/greenish hue) and apply very fine lines in the middle of the veins. Dont use a brush too small or you wont be able to hold enough paint; it will dry in the middle of your stroke. I used a windsor and newton series 7 miniature 1 for this.

3.once you are happy with the result, re affirm the shadows that you may have gone into using the DA Green/ black mix. be subtle (i know ill stop subtle stuff now lol)
4.once done there, I used a few washes of diluted citadel dark green ink over the whole thing. This was done firstly, to make sure the bleach bone was not dominated the greens. Second, one of the qualities of inks that I dont like i actually used to my advantage here. The inks dry with a certain shine to them but not as much as say a gloss finish would. who knows, a gloss finish might even look pretty cool!

5. afterwords I went over some of the bleached bone again to make sure that I had adequate veins.

anyway, thats how I did it. I\'ll keep getting better at it as I try the style again and improve on the techniques i used. I wonder if anyone has done a write-up/article on marble effects for minis? if its something that people want and they think mine is OK maybe it would be fun to do one. :)
Again, thanks all for the input! really helps.

Cheers:beer:

Tim
thanks, thats really helpful. how thin was your paint for this?
 

Backstabbeth

New member
I\'d say 4-5 one depending on theconsistencey of the paint out of the pot/ either 4 or 5 drops of water (distilled water) per 1 drop of paint

thanks for the input!:D
 

Backstabbeth

New member
OK... in finished the eldar! I have some final touches to do however. now on to the base! Last night i painted the hands and the feet different shades of pruple and it looked really bad. So, today i repainted them and went with something a little more subdued.
Its amazing how different coor backgrounds change the highlights of the mini, the darker green cloth i was using brings out the highlights of the spear a little more where as this lighter background subdues them. Thanks for the link scott!, ill be getting a light tent and camera mount on payday I think!

Eldar_eight_1.jpg

I really like how the spear turned out as well. Any comments are welcome as always, and again thanks for all the input! yall have been a big help.
 

obsidianpainting

New member
FREAKING AWESOME! Like wow.

I\'m glad my advice worked for yah :cool: lol

What are your ideas for the base? are you going to put anything on the base? a colour scheme for the base i would use, to kinda just.. make it so it fits with the model but kinda stays in the background and lets the model pop, would be (if your doing stone which most people do, or some kind of rock like street, or cobblestone.. or what have you) then do it with a mix of hormagaunt purple + denheb stone (sp?) and then highlight with denheb stone and some other stuff. That way its like a purpley rock.. or you could do the same but instead of purple, do a green or a yellowy colour.

Anyways tell us what your doing with the base!

And the model looks fantastic. voting wise i would DEFINITELY give this a 9.

Cheers man, Gary.
 

Backstabbeth

New member
Thanks so much guys.

With the base.. I want him standing on a pillar of stone. grays maybe shaded with purple to slightly match his tone. out of th side of the pillar will be green crystals projecting a small amount of light to thier surrounding area. I hope I can pull it off as I havenever tried anything like this. Unfortunately, I think this base is going to be a long project as well! LOL

@Obsidian, yeah i especially ike the way the green turned ou, Im gonna try it on the crystals as well. I dont have those colors but ill take a look at them see what shades they are.

BTW I was lookign through my old stuff last night and ran into my citadel product catalog from 1991. I looked through it and discovered that this eldar has been in print since way back then, he is still goin strong! I chose it cuase it was basic, but dang this guy is old school!
 

junior elf

New member
Really good everywhere, I mean like outstanding, except on the whites where they are very flat and look unfinished. Otherwise Great. As I said a 9 or a 10 from me if you get the whites sorted.
 

obsidianpainting

New member
Dheneb stone is kinda like kommando khaki, and hormagaunt purple is a flat purple colour. Maybe even start with a base of charadon granite highlight your way up through the purple and dheneb stone (drybrushing maybe?) and yah, also any wash of any sort would look fine. you could even do my origional suggestion then just wash with like, devlan mud, or leviathan purple, or even thraka green. or all of the above!

Anything would be good , and the pillar sounds awesome with the crystals.

Hey and a way to improve your colour theory, as you mentioned you wanted to, you could by a colour circle that has a moveable film on top that shows you the complimentary colour and all the other things and what not.

Hope this helps, Thanks for the inspiration by the way, Gary.
 

ScottRadom

Shogun of Saskatchewan
WOW. Your painting and my painting look the same.

And by that I mean that we both use blu-tack to hold our models on a gw pot while we paint. Other then that we have nothing in common.

Holy crap man, smooth as all get gone that is!

Can\'t wait till it\'s done!
 

ScottRadom

Shogun of Saskatchewan
Originally posted by Monkeysplitters
Originally posted by ScottRadom

Holy crap man, smooth as all get gone that is!

what does that even mean, I thought you Canadians spoke English. (At least those that dont speak French)

J/k.... or is he?

Perfect english that was!
 

obsidianpainting

New member
Yes, we Canadians always speak perfect english eh!? Oh geeze yah. Theres a perfect explanation for this, and thats cause of the bears, the maple syrup and the beavers. Darn teuton. Don\'t yah know.
 

Backstabbeth

New member
made sense to me ;-)

heh anyway, i should be starting on the base tomorrow evening since i am out of town today. Ill post as soon as its done. or along long enoughat least
 

Backstabbeth

New member
OK, phase one of the base

I started painting the base today. I have the shadows done but no highlights except for the glow from the crystals. Please let me know what you think so far!
Base_one.jpg


I am trying to keep the overall base more subdued so as to not take away form the mini. Next step is highlights and some texture up top.
thanks guys

Cheers
Tim
 
S

sg2009

Guest
the only problem imo is that it is too necrony, why not do something with wraithbone coming out of the ground or something like that to make a base more suited to eldar ???

or put necron body bits like a helmet round the crystal ???

but that is my opinion the base its self is looking great !!
 
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