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Bailey03
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Thanks! You should go for it, there are some really nicely detailed historical sculpts out there.
I did a few touch ups on my previous work. There was a stray shadow on the right side of his neck and the top right of his lapel needed more highlights. Then I dove into the gold lace details. I tried a mix of 50/50 metallic paints with matte paints. Overall I like the effect but next time I think I'll shift the ratios to something like 3 to 1 metallic to matte. Those Scale75 metals are pretty thin which is nice for painting but caused the matte paint to overwhelm them a bit.
I tried to imply some texture for the lace, so a lot of vertical or horizontal strokes along the belts, epaulette, and sword knot. With the lace finished I did some more work on the top of the pants so I could attach his sword hand. Of course this makes one more thing I can accidentally knock off.
As I mentioned before this guy is 75mm, so a bit bigger than my typical work. The larger canvas gives me a lot more room to work on details. Here's a side by side with my last Napoleonic project so you can see the size difference.
I did a few touch ups on my previous work. There was a stray shadow on the right side of his neck and the top right of his lapel needed more highlights. Then I dove into the gold lace details. I tried a mix of 50/50 metallic paints with matte paints. Overall I like the effect but next time I think I'll shift the ratios to something like 3 to 1 metallic to matte. Those Scale75 metals are pretty thin which is nice for painting but caused the matte paint to overwhelm them a bit.
I tried to imply some texture for the lace, so a lot of vertical or horizontal strokes along the belts, epaulette, and sword knot. With the lace finished I did some more work on the top of the pants so I could attach his sword hand. Of course this makes one more thing I can accidentally knock off.
As I mentioned before this guy is 75mm, so a bit bigger than my typical work. The larger canvas gives me a lot more room to work on details. Here's a side by side with my last Napoleonic project so you can see the size difference.
Demihuman
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That metallic really looks like NMM I can't really see any of the little metal flakes. When you say "lace" you mean the gold braid and the gold trim right? Would that have been lace?
The side by side really makes me want to see you do some more surreal stuff. Your painting is so incredibly realistic. It makes me want to see something totally unreal painted in your style. How is Jack-in-the-Plucker coming?
The side by side really makes me want to see you do some more surreal stuff. Your painting is so incredibly realistic. It makes me want to see something totally unreal painted in your style. How is Jack-in-the-Plucker coming?
SkelettetS
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yep looks ace mate!
Bailey03
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Thanks, everyone! Alexandra, that's why I like working on the Napoleonics. The uniforms make great display minis.
Demi, that's why I'm so pleased with the Scale75 metallics. Fantastic paints. The Vallejo Model Air metallics are very similar although I like the color options in the Scale75 sets better. Yes, by lace I mean all the gold thread details. They call it lace although perhaps it's not what we usually picture when we hear the word. I attached an image of a replica uniform so you can see what it was supposed to look like.
Hmmmm.... more surreal stuff, eh? Well I did paint up a hobbit a little while ago. The pirate orcs kickstarter is now live and already into the stretch goals. I can't wait to start painting them and I think that'd definitely qualify as surreal.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fantasyminiatures/black-sailors-pirates-orcs-fantasy-miniatures
I've also got the 90mm Elf Dragon Prince kit from Michael Kontraros that I've been meaning to start. The only thing stopping me there is the skin, I want to get a better handle on painting an albino look.
The Jack in the Plucker figure is pretty much where you last saw him. I was trying to match the lighting in the picture which means two sources. A spotlight from above and to his left, then a purple glow from the right and below. It was that second light source that was causing me trouble. I couldn't get the other side of the face to look right and it started to get overworked. So I put it to the side for a while. I'm taking another entry to Crystal Brush in its place so there wasn't any rush to finish him.
Demi, that's why I'm so pleased with the Scale75 metallics. Fantastic paints. The Vallejo Model Air metallics are very similar although I like the color options in the Scale75 sets better. Yes, by lace I mean all the gold thread details. They call it lace although perhaps it's not what we usually picture when we hear the word. I attached an image of a replica uniform so you can see what it was supposed to look like.
Hmmmm.... more surreal stuff, eh? Well I did paint up a hobbit a little while ago. The pirate orcs kickstarter is now live and already into the stretch goals. I can't wait to start painting them and I think that'd definitely qualify as surreal.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fantasyminiatures/black-sailors-pirates-orcs-fantasy-miniatures
I've also got the 90mm Elf Dragon Prince kit from Michael Kontraros that I've been meaning to start. The only thing stopping me there is the skin, I want to get a better handle on painting an albino look.
The Jack in the Plucker figure is pretty much where you last saw him. I was trying to match the lighting in the picture which means two sources. A spotlight from above and to his left, then a purple glow from the right and below. It was that second light source that was causing me trouble. I couldn't get the other side of the face to look right and it started to get overworked. So I put it to the side for a while. I'm taking another entry to Crystal Brush in its place so there wasn't any rush to finish him.
Bailey03
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Speaking of the lace detail, here's a close up. It's just the original photo cropped but not resized. You can see the texture I was trying to create. After the darker base coat I applied the lighter tones with a lot of directional strokes.
I also put a subtle reflection on the sword. Not easy to see on the zoomed out version, but here you can see the red and a bit of dark green that I mixed with the metallic colors.
I also put a subtle reflection on the sword. Not easy to see on the zoomed out version, but here you can see the red and a bit of dark green that I mixed with the metallic colors.
AndyG
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Speaking of the lace detail, here's a close up. It's just the original photo cropped but not resized. You can see the texture I was trying to create. After the darker base coat I applied the lighter tones with a lot of directional strokes.
I also put a subtle reflection on the sword. Not easy to see on the zoomed out version, but here you can see the red and a bit of dark green that I mixed with the metallic colors.
Kudos sir on the metal work :good: in fact almost as good as NMM
runs quickly from the Swedish backlash Lol!!SkelettetS
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ace! yeah, painting like the big boys no sissy cartoon metal hehee
in fact, NMM should be renamed Cartoon Metal (CM)
in fact, NMM should be renamed Cartoon Metal (CM)
BloodFather of Kharnath
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Actually, since it is NOT actually metal, cartoon metal SHOULD have been used here. However, Bailey is such a master and Scale75 paints are so damn good that I wouldn't change a thing. In fact, the designer of those paints, Banshee, uses them for all sorts of things outside of metal. Like hair, skin, etc
I think what really sells the effect is directional painting. It really texturizes the material and makes it look like individual strands rather than big ugly braids. Good job dude!!!
People are always going to tell you to paint fantasy Dave, because that's what they prefer and they want to look at some eye candy from you. But don't stray away too long from your passion. This particular model is really great and makes me want to do some historic.
Which segways me me into this. I am actually going to ask for an historical figure for Xmas. I think I want to go renaissance age, though I like some of the Vlad Tsepesh figures that I have seen. There is also a figure from a sculptor's personal range. His name is Simon Modrow and this is probably the sculpt I will end up getting. It is historical though with a touch of fantasy, ya know? Tell me what you think: http://www.coolminiornot.com/257560
But my real point of being this is up is that I am going to get those Scale75 metallics, the boxed set, and try my hand at TMM (I also plan to use a ton of oils on this figure). The question I have to ask you, as a master of TMM, are there any other paints I should supplement the Scale75 set with? Any paints you find indespinsible outside of this range? I'll probably also get the S75 ink set too. I own quite a few inks from GW and others, but tbh I prefer mixing up my own inks, mainly because I can control them much better this way, and I find most inks are too glossy for my liking. The only ink I currently own that I like VMC Smoke and P3's Armor Wash. So are there inks that you prefer? Any other metallics from other brands that you can't get from the S75 set? Thanks mate!!!
Edit: I should elaborate. Glossy inks are acceptable to me if painting TMM because the glossiness aids in the metallic look. But with NMM I'd rather have something more flat. That is all...
I think what really sells the effect is directional painting. It really texturizes the material and makes it look like individual strands rather than big ugly braids. Good job dude!!!
People are always going to tell you to paint fantasy Dave, because that's what they prefer and they want to look at some eye candy from you. But don't stray away too long from your passion. This particular model is really great and makes me want to do some historic.
Which segways me me into this. I am actually going to ask for an historical figure for Xmas. I think I want to go renaissance age, though I like some of the Vlad Tsepesh figures that I have seen. There is also a figure from a sculptor's personal range. His name is Simon Modrow and this is probably the sculpt I will end up getting. It is historical though with a touch of fantasy, ya know? Tell me what you think: http://www.coolminiornot.com/257560
But my real point of being this is up is that I am going to get those Scale75 metallics, the boxed set, and try my hand at TMM (I also plan to use a ton of oils on this figure). The question I have to ask you, as a master of TMM, are there any other paints I should supplement the Scale75 set with? Any paints you find indespinsible outside of this range? I'll probably also get the S75 ink set too. I own quite a few inks from GW and others, but tbh I prefer mixing up my own inks, mainly because I can control them much better this way, and I find most inks are too glossy for my liking. The only ink I currently own that I like VMC Smoke and P3's Armor Wash. So are there inks that you prefer? Any other metallics from other brands that you can't get from the S75 set? Thanks mate!!!
Edit: I should elaborate. Glossy inks are acceptable to me if painting TMM because the glossiness aids in the metallic look. But with NMM I'd rather have something more flat. That is all...
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MAXXxxx
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Amenin fact, NMM should be renamed Cartoon Metal (CM)
btw I never understood this TMP vs NMM thing. for a normal look you use:
TMP------------------------------NMM
dark grey with metallic parts-------dark grey
middle grey with metallic parts-----middle grey
light grey with metallic parts-------light grey
white with metallic...--------------white
black for shading------------------black for shading
other colors for reflections, etc----other colors for reflections, etc
so it's totally the same thing (even shades/HL placement is the same), but TMP has some extra shine from the metallic flakes in the paint
BoK: if you like the model: sure get it, paint it, but the pose looks weird to me. A similar, but imho better looking model is the "Landschnekt" from pegaso.
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BloodFather of Kharnath
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Agree with the pose. I watched his WIP as he sculpted the figure, and he totally had a better pose at one point but he changed it. Let's look up this Landscnect figure................it's not bad, not bad at all. I can't get the historical Dracula off if my brain either tho: http://www.pegasomodels.com/productdetails_en.asp?id=892
I would totally have to put him in a forest of impaled corpses, just like legend states.
Sorry Dave, I don't want to take away from the purpose of your thread, which I have. However, I'd love to see your version of the sculpts mentioned above...
I would totally have to put him in a forest of impaled corpses, just like legend states.
Sorry Dave, I don't want to take away from the purpose of your thread, which I have. However, I'd love to see your version of the sculpts mentioned above...
Bailey03
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No worries, historical figures and paint selection are relevant topics for this thread!
Well, it's metallic thread so TMM is still applicable. Though the finish is a bit different so I wanted to distinguish it from the full metal of the buckles. I supplement the Scale75 metallics with regular matte paint, glazes, and inks. But I don't think any brand is better than another. Vallejo Glaze Medium is great for making your own glazes and I know Skel uses Vallejo Model Colors smoke a lot, so those are worth getting. Other than that just go with the inks and acrylics you like.
I like painting fantasy too, although I'm more into nicely done slightly larger sculpts which are a lot of the historicals. Plus I find the research I do for the historical projects interesting. But there are fantasy and sci-fi figures that grab my interest too (like the orc pirates and some of the Scale75 figures).
It's nice to see more people are being tempted to try historical figures as well. That Vlad from Pegaso is a great looking figure (though from 28mm to 75mm is a big jump!). I've also wanted their Roaming Knight for a while. That Simon M figure is very cool, though I agree the pose is a little awkward. If you gave him a bit of blood like he was wounded in the duel that might explain his slightly awkward stance. For his armor I'd look at Skel's great swords tutorial. You might also want to look at Romeo's figures. They're Pegaso's sister company and do great stuff too. Here's a link to their renaissance range:
http://www.romeomodels.com/index.php?cPath=34
Well, it's metallic thread so TMM is still applicable. Though the finish is a bit different so I wanted to distinguish it from the full metal of the buckles. I supplement the Scale75 metallics with regular matte paint, glazes, and inks. But I don't think any brand is better than another. Vallejo Glaze Medium is great for making your own glazes and I know Skel uses Vallejo Model Colors smoke a lot, so those are worth getting. Other than that just go with the inks and acrylics you like.
I like painting fantasy too, although I'm more into nicely done slightly larger sculpts which are a lot of the historicals. Plus I find the research I do for the historical projects interesting. But there are fantasy and sci-fi figures that grab my interest too (like the orc pirates and some of the Scale75 figures).
It's nice to see more people are being tempted to try historical figures as well. That Vlad from Pegaso is a great looking figure (though from 28mm to 75mm is a big jump!). I've also wanted their Roaming Knight for a while. That Simon M figure is very cool, though I agree the pose is a little awkward. If you gave him a bit of blood like he was wounded in the duel that might explain his slightly awkward stance. For his armor I'd look at Skel's great swords tutorial. You might also want to look at Romeo's figures. They're Pegaso's sister company and do great stuff too. Here's a link to their renaissance range:
http://www.romeomodels.com/index.php?cPath=34
Yep Historical can be really great to work with, I "Cut my teeth" in model painting with Historicals.
Bailey you ever looked at Mitch's Military Models? 1/6-1/0th busts and figures some really good stuff there, the Second World War 'Arnhem' collection have three of the best busts going British, American and German Commanders from Operation Market Garden.
£55 for all Three, yeah Seduction by Resin.
Bailey you ever looked at Mitch's Military Models? 1/6-1/0th busts and figures some really good stuff there, the Second World War 'Arnhem' collection have three of the best busts going British, American and German Commanders from Operation Market Garden.
£55 for all Three, yeah Seduction by Resin.
BloodFather of Kharnath
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^^^Sounds really cool as a set.
Speaking of cutting teeth, I'd like to do a bust myself. Been on the look out for a modern US infantryman. So, basically, me. Anyone seen such a thing? I can find tons of WWII infantryman busts, but nothing modern.
Speaking of cutting teeth, I'd like to do a bust myself. Been on the look out for a modern US infantryman. So, basically, me. Anyone seen such a thing? I can find tons of WWII infantryman busts, but nothing modern.
BloodFather of Kharnath
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BTW-Your Orc pirates have shown up on P&P. There is a green of the one with the parrot. Really gives you a sense for the detail they put into each piece. Very stunning. I get sold more and more on these guys...
Bailey03
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Thanks for the tip, DR. I've seen some of the stuff but never visited the site for the full collection. A lot of great looking kits. I did a number of busts when I was just starting out with historicals but I've gotten away from the lately. I'm sure I'll do more at some point so I'll have to keep these in mind!
BFK, there's a lot of WWII stuff but not nearly as many modern kits. Young Miniatures, my go-to site for busts, has two from the early 2000's (a Navy Seal and a Marine). These may be close enough that you can make them work. Of course you'd be a much better judge of that than I.
http://www.young-miniatures.com/products/products-MBust-English.htm
If not, I'd suggest going over to PlanetFigure. That site is a large community that is much more focused on historical figures. I'd post a topic in their 'General Figure Talk' section titled something like 'Looking for Modern US Infantry Figure or Bust' and see what sort of response you get. If you have any trouble signing up let me know and I can just post the topic with my account there.
BFK, there's a lot of WWII stuff but not nearly as many modern kits. Young Miniatures, my go-to site for busts, has two from the early 2000's (a Navy Seal and a Marine). These may be close enough that you can make them work. Of course you'd be a much better judge of that than I.
http://www.young-miniatures.com/products/products-MBust-English.htm
If not, I'd suggest going over to PlanetFigure. That site is a large community that is much more focused on historical figures. I'd post a topic in their 'General Figure Talk' section titled something like 'Looking for Modern US Infantry Figure or Bust' and see what sort of response you get. If you have any trouble signing up let me know and I can just post the topic with my account there.
