kathrynloch
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Since when did any sculptor NOT exaggerate?
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The Tom Meier ones aren't exaggerated, but the rest of 'em are.
You often hear people say "the hobby wouldn't exist without GW" and things with similar meaning. I wonder how true that is. There is quite a large "hobby" outside of Warhammer, that's been in existance for longer than GW's been around. You have the whole historical side of the hobby that ranges from large scale display models to small scale wargaming miniatures. I find it quite improbable that unless GW had turned up to do a fantasy take on the wargaming bit, noone else would have. Surely, things would be different, if GW had never existed, but I don't think there wouldn't be a "hobby". Unless, of course, if when you say "hobby" you actually mean "Warhammer". Making models, having a fascination for miniature things, being creative... all those sort of things are NOT things invented by GW!
Avelorn
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I buy almost all my GW miniatures at the store to support our LGS. The least I can do.
Tom Meier is perhaps the only sculpter I know in that scale that does not exaggerate some, or at least tries not to. Maybe some of Edgars stuff as well. GW has some plastic LOTR stuff that looks very true though. The lotr line has in general, compared to pretty much everything, vary natural proportions and some great sculpting by amongst others Brian Nelson and Juan Diaz. Some giant hands exceptions though.
Tom Meier is perhaps the only sculpter I know in that scale that does not exaggerate some, or at least tries not to. Maybe some of Edgars stuff as well. GW has some plastic LOTR stuff that looks very true though. The lotr line has in general, compared to pretty much everything, vary natural proportions and some great sculpting by amongst others Brian Nelson and Juan Diaz. Some giant hands exceptions though.
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MAXXxxx
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same here for hasslefree stuff. I got the Kanako mini from them as a gift (I don't remember buying it, but it was in the package). Once someone asked how to paint black hair, and altough I'm no expert I tried to show it on this mini. And it was such a joy to paint, that I continued, before I realised it was fully painted and done (
It really nice to paint something without too much 'detail'. for the same reason I like the Eolith minis.
as for fantastic sculptors at GW: there are even more now. As I heard Spyglass/Eolith founder(Steve Buddle) is also hired by them, as is at least one former Rackham sculptor (Aragorn Marks if I remember right). No idea if they were needed for the Hobbit release or they'll get to do some wh/40k too.
I am going to talk to the manager and may take it to head office as well.
I've also decided that they will still see me in GW Friar Lane. Every time there's a new release I'm going to order it online and get it done for store pick up. It will give me such satisfaction every other Saturday to head in and show them just how many sales they are missing out on.
I wish I didn't have to buy direct from GW at all, but it's the only way to guarantee I get new releases on the day they come out. If I ordered online from somewhere like Wayland I'd get them on the Monday (or later) rather than the Saturday, and loosing out on a few days painting time really makes a difference when getting new releases up on eBay.
I am going to talk to the manager and may take it to head office as well.
I've also decided that they will still see me in GW Friar Lane. Every time there's a new release I'm going to order it online and get it done for store pick up. It will give me such satisfaction every other Saturday to head in and show them just how many sales they are missing out on.
I wish I didn't have to buy direct from GW at all, but it's the only way to guarantee I get new releases on the day they come out. If I ordered online from somewhere like Wayland I'd get them on the Monday (or later) rather than the Saturday, and loosing out on a few days painting time really makes a difference when getting new releases up on eBay.
Wouldn't bother the manager... I'd go straight to the area manager with this one... as said, depending on exactly what was said it could border on slander and it certainly is not professional behaviour. Don't get me wrong, badmouthing to another staff member over a brew on break is one thing (and who here hasn't done that at one point or another) but to another customer, wow!
marjedi
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I am going to talk to the manager and may take it to head office as well.
I've also decided that they will still see me in GW Friar Lane. Every time there's a new release I'm going to order it online and get it done for store pick up. It will give me such satisfaction every other Saturday to head in and show them just how many sales they are missing out on.
I wish I didn't have to buy direct from GW at all, but it's the only way to guarantee I get new releases on the day they come out. If I ordered online from somewhere like Wayland I'd get them on the Monday (or later) rather than the Saturday, and loosing out on a few days painting time really makes a difference when getting new releases up on eBay.
If it was me, i would just take my buisness elsewhere. The best power you have as a comsumer.
And gl on painting full time, seems like a risky way to make a living since everyone and there grandmother is painting and selling on ebay these days.
So do i Katty...God i miss that company. The battletech stuff they wrote was awesome, too bad they had no buisness sense what so ever.
dogfacedboy uk1
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If I were you I'd approach this member of staff in front of everyone and politely make an issue of it - tell him you've heard he has been saying things about you and that you'd like to see the manager and that you will be making a complaint to the area manager and writing a letter to GW HQ customer service droids. Watch him crap his pants as he frets about his job security in these dark times - you may as well have some fun with it and savour that look of fear and embarassment on his face in front of his fellows.
dfb
Einion
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Exactly what I think every time I've read that.
This sort of point is a classic argumentative ploy and is clearly moot. Two people can have polar-opposite views on what this sector of the hobby would be like if GW have never come into being, both cogent enough to appear logical and believable to others who haven't thought about it deeply, which pretty much guarantees that one is as likely as the other.
Right on. And there's an easy argument to be made that the hobby, overall, would be not just different but better.
Einion
i dont know if it would be better, probably smaller. less fans, less money. not saying money is everything, but i love having a hobby with people from all ages and from all over the world. it´s hard to say what a industry or hobby would be like without the biggest company, but wth, gw were pioneers, and moved our hobby into the public. noone could really argue with that. gw is sort of to minigaming what blizzard is to roleplaying videogames. i dont like blizzard or their products, just as people dont like gw, but i recognize the products made a big difference and made the genres popular. i probs never would've come into contact with the hobby if it wasnt for gw (and my dad, who bought a box of really old gw orcs to me when i was 6^^)
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RuneBrush
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I also think that GW has made the hobby a bit more socially acceptable. I know this sounds awful but miniature painting/collecting/gaming does have a huge stigma attached to it. A lot of people understand if you say "I paint Warhammer type models" if you say "I paint figurines" or "I paint Warmachine models" and people tend to look at you a lot more peculiarly - though not as much as if you say "I do live role play"
To sum up (my opinion), the hobby would exist without GW, but would be a different hobby if they didn't exist.
To sum up (my opinion), the hobby would exist without GW, but would be a different hobby if they didn't exist.
I have the exact opposite experience. Since people have a vague idea about what Warhammer is about they imediately think that mini painting is something that smelly, annoying kids do, and I, being a grown up, should have left that behind me years and years ago. It's not until they see the painted miniatures they realise that there is something beyond the plastic toys they see when they walk past the GW store. People with no idea about miniatures whatsoever usually have a more non-biased view of it, at least in my experience.
Not really my style to be honest. Back in the day it would have been the very likely response, but I can kinda look at this from a wider perspective and see (without wanting to sound horribly aloof) that I already have a massive upper hand on this guy, so why worry.
He has his little group of fanboy regulars in the store and I would hate to put him in a position of awkwardness in front of them. He doesn't have much else, so why take that 'glory' away too. Also, I didn't hear it first hand. If I had things might be a bit different. I am taking this from someone who heard it from someone else. I know that it's still reliable information, but without knowing exactly it's not as easy to respond in a very strong way.
I don't feel good about putting anyone's job at risk, regardless of the situation. I like a bit of sweet revenge, but not to that sort of extent.
Having said that, the customer service in this situation simply does not fit the ethos of the company, so I am going to take it to someone higher up. Can't go without being reported.
dogfacedboy uk1
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Ahhh, fair enough. I can be a mean sod though when needs be lol. In honesty though if it wasn't first hand then best not do such a thing. But good luck with it. I do still like the cunning plan of ordering it all online and picking it from them with a casual comment that you will no longer be buying from them instore due to the issue.
dfb
If GW prides themselves on customer service they can hardly allow people to be bad mouthing customers.
