Shawn R. L.
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usually it\'s illegal for psycho\'s to own guns.
Firearms & co... hate or love them?
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usually it\'s illegal for psycho\'s to own guns.
Thats rediculous. You are comparing a mans need to defend himself and others, to an unstable nations need for nucular weapons. WMD\'s, not a gun.
A nation doesnt just fire a nuke and \"kill\" another nation, thus preventing unneeded bloodshed. Using that kind of force only causes more bloodshed and maddness.
Not every, if any, nation deserves to posses that power.
Im sorry SM, i just dont see enough similaritys to validate that comparason.
Wait one minute, Iran is pursuing it\'s nuclear power for peaceful reasons...lollollol
Also I\'d like to point out that I am not actively calling for the destruction of another man, or in Iran\'s case, another nation. Nor have I signed a treaty that specifies I will not seek to get guns, or in Iran\'s case WMD\'s.
edit: I ask again, who lives in more fear?
Me, who can go over to my friends house, check out one of his new guns, and knows that it will never be used except in self defense, or you, who seems to fear the idea that anyone other than the police or military should have firearms, who seems to get just queasy being around firearms, inanimate objects.
You, my friend, live in fear, and try to do the typical human response to something you fear, you try to control it or destroy it, thereby being controlled by your own fear.
An irrational fear, since the chances for you getting in a car and getting killed, or even slipping on a bar of soap and drowning in your tub are far greater than you getting shot and killed.
Also I\'d like to point out that I am not actively calling for the destruction of another man, or in Iran\'s case, another nation. Nor have I signed a treaty that specifies I will not seek to get guns, or in Iran\'s case WMD\'s.
edit: I ask again, who lives in more fear?
Me, who can go over to my friends house, check out one of his new guns, and knows that it will never be used except in self defense, or you, who seems to fear the idea that anyone other than the police or military should have firearms, who seems to get just queasy being around firearms, inanimate objects.
You, my friend, live in fear, and try to do the typical human response to something you fear, you try to control it or destroy it, thereby being controlled by your own fear.
An irrational fear, since the chances for you getting in a car and getting killed, or even slipping on a bar of soap and drowning in your tub are far greater than you getting shot and killed.
Legacy Account
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I\'m not scared of weapons in this country because.... wait for it....
Almost nobody has them and 99% of people will never come into contact with them!
As for Iran, I think that their quest for nukes is the distillation and magnification of this whole arguement. It is the whole \'weapons for defense\' thing pushed to the final boundary. They feel threatened and want to protect themselves. Can you see the US taking on North Korea? Neither can I.
Who\'s to say Iran are unstable anyway? They haven\'t invaded anywhere yet (unlike Israel...). They don\'t own nukes yet (unlike Israel...). There\'s little proof to suggest that they fund terrorism. It\'s hardly surprising that they want WMDs when they have the world\'s playground bully after their dinner money.
It\'s all down to perceived threat. As far as I\'m concerned, a good guy is a split second and a trigger pull away from becoming a bad guy. That could happen to ANYBODY in the heat of a given situation.
I\'ve got nowt against you folks in the US doing what you like on your own turf. Unfortunately the glamourisation of the things can be quite damaging....
Almost nobody has them and 99% of people will never come into contact with them!
As for Iran, I think that their quest for nukes is the distillation and magnification of this whole arguement. It is the whole \'weapons for defense\' thing pushed to the final boundary. They feel threatened and want to protect themselves. Can you see the US taking on North Korea? Neither can I.
Who\'s to say Iran are unstable anyway? They haven\'t invaded anywhere yet (unlike Israel...). They don\'t own nukes yet (unlike Israel...). There\'s little proof to suggest that they fund terrorism. It\'s hardly surprising that they want WMDs when they have the world\'s playground bully after their dinner money.
It\'s all down to perceived threat. As far as I\'m concerned, a good guy is a split second and a trigger pull away from becoming a bad guy. That could happen to ANYBODY in the heat of a given situation.
I\'ve got nowt against you folks in the US doing what you like on your own turf. Unfortunately the glamourisation of the things can be quite damaging....
See here is where i think gun ownership and WMD ownership part ways.
A gun, can be used to kill one person who might threaten a number of people. So in exchange for one death, you save x amount of lives.
Now for some reason that same formula does not apply when we are talking about nations.
If you need an illustration of that point, look at our attempt at liberating the iraqi people. We (the US) decided (in theory), hey this sadam guy is killin off, and oppressing, allot of people, lets take him out. That should prevent him from causing any more pain and suffering.
Now, lets just contemplate for one moment just how much pain and suffering we prevented. Hmm? how much? well i suppose we cant actualy calculate that because we STILL arent done with the war that insued after we removed sadam.
See when nation start throwing punches there is no black out and end of the fight. The death and suffering lingers on for years.
A gun confrontation at worst may bring suffering to one family if their son or daughter made a bad choice and got themselves shot. But think about how many millons of innocent people would grieve if a nation used nucular force.
A gun, can be used to kill one person who might threaten a number of people. So in exchange for one death, you save x amount of lives.
Now for some reason that same formula does not apply when we are talking about nations.
If you need an illustration of that point, look at our attempt at liberating the iraqi people. We (the US) decided (in theory), hey this sadam guy is killin off, and oppressing, allot of people, lets take him out. That should prevent him from causing any more pain and suffering.
Now, lets just contemplate for one moment just how much pain and suffering we prevented. Hmm? how much? well i suppose we cant actualy calculate that because we STILL arent done with the war that insued after we removed sadam.
See when nation start throwing punches there is no black out and end of the fight. The death and suffering lingers on for years.
A gun confrontation at worst may bring suffering to one family if their son or daughter made a bad choice and got themselves shot. But think about how many millons of innocent people would grieve if a nation used nucular force.
Orb
procrastinator
Well it does seem interesting that most columbine like shootings happen in the US. Since I\'m pretty sure they don\'t have more psychos runing around then in other country these shootings must have another explanation.....easy accesse to gun maybe (just a guess).
And how come with all these good citizen beeing able to defend themself easily the US still as the highest crime rate of most developped countries ?
I\'m not a gun hater, in fact I indulge in airsisoft as well as mini painting and own several exact replica of guns and rifles, so to some extent I must even like them a bit. But I can\'t see a reason in hell to allow everyone to own one. A gun as one purpose and that is to kill people, nothing can justify handing that out like candy.
And how come with all these good citizen beeing able to defend themself easily the US still as the highest crime rate of most developped countries ?
I\'m not a gun hater, in fact I indulge in airsisoft as well as mini painting and own several exact replica of guns and rifles, so to some extent I must even like them a bit. But I can\'t see a reason in hell to allow everyone to own one. A gun as one purpose and that is to kill people, nothing can justify handing that out like candy.
darthfoley
Active member
I just want to say that, despite a couple of the usual suspects throwing out baited comments, I\'m amazed it actually took until PAGE 3 of this thread before it became \'oh those ugly Americans and their guns\'.
lol
Me personally, don\'t have \'em, don\'t want \'em, but have no problem with those who legally own them, and will defend with all my ability our right to own them if we choose.
lol
Me personally, don\'t have \'em, don\'t want \'em, but have no problem with those who legally own them, and will defend with all my ability our right to own them if we choose.
Talion
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It all comes down to fear. Those who have guns for protection are obviously live in fear of an intruder. And those who carry guns in public for protection live in fear full stop.
In one eariler post someone said they sleep with a gun under the mattress, that\'s fear verging of Paranoia.
We have a lot of stabbings, but I don\'t sleep with a knife under my pillow just in case.
Unfortunatley it seems to be ingrained in America that you can\'t be safe unless you have a gun.
If we were to take the guns from you gun owners for a couple of months, would you not sleep until we gave them back?
In one eariler post someone said they sleep with a gun under the mattress, that\'s fear verging of Paranoia.
We have a lot of stabbings, but I don\'t sleep with a knife under my pillow just in case.
Unfortunatley it seems to be ingrained in America that you can\'t be safe unless you have a gun.
If we were to take the guns from you gun owners for a couple of months, would you not sleep until we gave them back?
Wrong. Guns don\'t make you safer, anyone who thinks that is fooling themselves.
They merely give you even footing or even advantages in certain situations.
I fear more that some idiot will force me to use my gun, than actually getting shot myself.
What is ingrained in me is responsibility, and control.
Ultimately, I am responsible for my and my families lives. I will not hand over that control to those who cannot do the job to my specifications, be it the police or the government. It generally isn\'t their lives on the line at the time, they have no personal vested interests in the lives of me and my family. We\'re just another taxpayer.
You may choose to let your government take that responsibility, that\'s fine. I will not pass the buck.
First you\'d have to find them all.
Second, by attempting to do so, in my eyes, and many others, this would be a direct attack on our personal rights, and would very likely cause us to literally get up in arms, possibly pushing us into a rebellion.
philologus
Subgenius
I\'m quoting myself here because some folks are rehashing the idea that the US has a \"higher crime rate\" than other Western or \"developed\" nations. According to stats by both govt\'s this is apparently not the case, in spite of gun restrictions in the UK. These reports are very good and clearly spell out their methodologies for data collection.
2300 compared to 500 per 100,000 citizens?
darthfoley
Active member
Very true! But I look good in my uniform while I try.
darthfoley
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Does something need to be specifically said in order to be true?
These discussions always break down into the same thing - EvilDave and a few others defending America\'s Bill of Rights, and an equally vociferous European/Aussie group saying that our \'obsession\' with guns is the main cause of violence in our country.
I\'m not saying there\'s anything wrong with that...but it\'s true.
:innocent:Do you have an intense fear that without your gun, you feel helpless? (this is to all gun owner)
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No. Just as I suddenly don\'t fear nails when I don\'t have a hammer. I merely can\'t do much with nails without a hammer. However, I can make do, a hammer just makes it infinately easier. It\'s the tool for the job.
I go without my gun 80% of the time, do you honestly think I cower in fear 80% of the time?
My first reaction when I see someone with a gun (if they are not opening fire on someone) is to check out the gun, not cower in fear thinking he could go berserk at any time.
