philologus
Subgenius
I think just dividing YB into similar categories as the biguns would be a solution. Then you could enter whatever size you want and you woudn\'t have 200 entries competing for 3 measly trophies.
GW makes yet another stupid decision!
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Wow, GW just doesn\'t want customers do they. I feel for you, Young Bloods. I\'m 31, so I don\'t have anything to complain about really, but I think it sucks.
What REALLY sucks is that the judges aren\'t impartial enough to decide what LOOKS better rather than what\'s bigger. It\'s possible to put a better paint job on a guardsman than you can put on a drednaught if you work at it. I don\'t see why the judges can\'t just look at a mini and decide it looks better, rather than put the burden on the entrants. Sure you can spend more money and have a bigger canvas, but that doesn\'t make the artwork better.
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What REALLY sucks is that the judges aren\'t impartial enough to decide what LOOKS better rather than what\'s bigger. It\'s possible to put a better paint job on a guardsman than you can put on a drednaught if you work at it. I don\'t see why the judges can\'t just look at a mini and decide it looks better, rather than put the burden on the entrants. Sure you can spend more money and have a bigger canvas, but that doesn\'t make the artwork better.
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Bleeding Patronising attitude.
\"Anyone entering Youndbloods is just a kid , lets pat them on the head and nick their pocket money.\"
I\'ve had the good fortune to see work in the youngbloods section in UK GD, which rivals and in some cases exceeds the studio work.
\"Anyone entering Youndbloods is just a kid , lets pat them on the head and nick their pocket money.\"
I\'ve had the good fortune to see work in the youngbloods section in UK GD, which rivals and in some cases exceeds the studio work.
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Marmoset
Guest
That was what GW said. Tommy Juskus and Iago Pineda are prodigies, nearly every YB winner apart from them would barely make first cut in an adult category. They really were exceptional, and not every YB winner/entrant is like that. That\'s the point of YB, to give us a better chance of winning something. Really, I don\'t see why YB should be any different from single miniature. It DOES restrict us, because although we are allowed to enter in the other categories, nearly every Youngblood has very little chance of winning anything in a category other than YB. It is our sole chance for glory in the competition. Some GDs have had YB WHFB single mini, YB 40K single mini, and YB LOTR single mini categories. This at least would be better. Obviously, taking this theory all the way would eventually mean having a seperate competition for 14s and under, but that is ridiculous
Modderhu, your point about dragons maybe having more impact doesn\'t quite make sense; what I am saying is that YB should be the same as adult single mini, and dragons aren\'t entered there. Ogres, orc warbosses, and mounted figures are: take a look at my links earlier. We were over restricted before. They then limit us to man-sized minis, making one exception for some reason???and that is terminators. Making one exception? That just beggars belief. If they do keep this ridiculous rule, having exceptions is just F***ING STUPID. It\'s like saying for Duel, \"Oh, and there is one exception, space marine versus tyranid is not allowed.\" GW need to do some serious thinking, I don\'t think there can be any denying that this is unfair. Youngbloods are \'limited\' by their painting skill to one category, in effect. Then we are limited to single mini. OK, fine. \"Oh, but we aren\'t going to allow mounted minis like in adult single mini.\" Grr... \"Oh yeah, let\'s now restrict you even more by not letting you use ogres or anything that comes on a base larger than 25mm...\" :flame::flame:
Now you see how unfair this is?
green stuff
Active member
Several things to say about this :
1) Is a resin trophy really worth all of this aggrivation?
2) If you\'re not happy with the YB rules, enter the other categories;
3) I honnestly think that nowadays with all the tutorials on the net, talent has little to do with age. The current youngest Slayer Sword Winner is 17. Vincent Huddon learned how to paint and win a Slayer Sword in 11 months! The knowledge is out there, all you have to do is practice ... and have a good idea.
4) Come to the GD with your best entries (whatever the categories), and have fun with the other people there. Any other consideration will only leave you a sour feeling.
1) Is a resin trophy really worth all of this aggrivation?
2) If you\'re not happy with the YB rules, enter the other categories;
3) I honnestly think that nowadays with all the tutorials on the net, talent has little to do with age. The current youngest Slayer Sword Winner is 17. Vincent Huddon learned how to paint and win a Slayer Sword in 11 months! The knowledge is out there, all you have to do is practice ... and have a good idea
.4) Come to the GD with your best entries (whatever the categories), and have fun with the other people there. Any other consideration will only leave you a sour feeling.
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sebrushworth
Guest
I agree with Cedric. And this is GW\'s own competition, so they can do whatever they like. If you\'re disqualified from entering Youngbloods, then enter one of the other categories instead. Most adults who enter the \"adult\" competitions don\'t win anything either!
Ten years or so ago, I was really in to tyranids, so I painted a lictor and entered it in the monster contest. If I had been trying to get a young blood award then I would have been forced to paint a plastic mini, of which there were very few back then. So you still have much more room for manuever in choosing what to paint than people did a few years ago.
Paint what you want to paint because it\'s fun to paint, don\'t let a competition get in the way of the fun.
Ten years or so ago, I was really in to tyranids, so I painted a lictor and entered it in the monster contest. If I had been trying to get a young blood award then I would have been forced to paint a plastic mini, of which there were very few back then. So you still have much more room for manuever in choosing what to paint than people did a few years ago.
Paint what you want to paint because it\'s fun to paint, don\'t let a competition get in the way of the fun.
Angelos3000
New member
i am 12 and am leanring nnm and not meny people of my age can use nnm so basically i cud win summat also nearly every nnm model entered in ne gd wins sumat
Albert Moreto Font
Member
yes and when he won it he was 15 (Iago)
Albert Moreto Font
Member
As someone said already, nowadays its not about the age, but for how long have you been practising and of course your natural skill to learn quicker. I won my 1st Gold Demon when i was 15, and im sure u can do it as well marmoset!!!
mutantpotato
New member
I feel that some of the rules are quite restricted. And this hobby should\'nt
really be restricted because it is art!
Sometimes I feel that GW are more interested in making money than the love and passion for the hobby.
One thing is to have the rules restricted, but another thing is to have the rules too free. If the rules are too free people can enter everything they want, so you got to make the rules not to strict, and not to free so you get the rules balanced.
It is quite obvious that the GW rules are not very balanced, because they cange the rules almost every year!
really be restricted because it is art!
Sometimes I feel that GW are more interested in making money than the love and passion for the hobby.
One thing is to have the rules restricted, but another thing is to have the rules too free. If the rules are too free people can enter everything they want, so you got to make the rules not to strict, and not to free so you get the rules balanced.
It is quite obvious that the GW rules are not very balanced, because they cange the rules almost every year!
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sebrushworth
Guest
I don\'t mean any disrespect, but learning how to spell is a far more useful skill.
And as for NMM always getting a demon, well that\'s simply not true.
Edit: Sorry for being a grumpy git.
@YB in this discussion: You might not have realised it by now, but time really goes fast. It won\'t be that long before you\'re too old to compete in YB and this will be long forgotten... And not so long before your works can stand their ground on the grown-up field. So you have plenty of time to win GDs. Which are not the ONLY reason while you\'re painting, is it?
I think that, all interest besides and from a global perspective, it\'s good that they\'re is a YB category, but it needs some
restrictions else they\'re would be no equity, and no chance for small names to have any tribune. No place to begin. We\'d only have scratchbuilt megapieces on both sides.
And the idea of having two competitions at the same time would simply not be rentable enough, not for GW anyway.
So for really talented YB few choices remain:
- Be patient and hone your skills in the meantime.
- Try to do your best within those restrictions.
- Go for regular categories, you probably won\'t win, but the experience should be worthwhile.
I think that, all interest besides and from a global perspective, it\'s good that they\'re is a YB category, but it needs some
restrictions else they\'re would be no equity, and no chance for small names to have any tribune. No place to begin. We\'d only have scratchbuilt megapieces on both sides.
And the idea of having two competitions at the same time would simply not be rentable enough, not for GW anyway.
So for really talented YB few choices remain:
- Be patient and hone your skills in the meantime.
- Try to do your best within those restrictions.
- Go for regular categories, you probably won\'t win, but the experience should be worthwhile.
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Marmoset
Guest
Well, I hear you all. This isn\'t going to ruin GD for me in any way; I just think YB having the rules changed like this (which is pretty drastically) is unfair, and GW should be more considerate. I am going to enter minis in adult categories anyway, but not because I might win, because it will be a good experience. Albert, I will try and get a demon by the time I\'m 15, but not everyone has as much überskill as you and Iago, so I can\'t guarantee any demons at all! As it is, I\'m going to paint a ------ ------- for my entry anyway, as it is man-sized. I have learnt a lot from helpful advice on my ogre, so hopefully it will turn out better At least I still have time to finish before GD, imagine if they did a rules change like this on single mini or something, where painting gods spend the whole year preparing! :wow:
I\'m sorry, I got too angry earlier, I guess it\'s not the end of the world, but I was pretty incensed
Happy painting
~Bill
As it is, I\'m going to paint a ------ ------- for my entry anyway, as it is man-sized. I have learnt a lot from helpful advice on my ogre, so hopefully it will turn out better At least I still have time to finish before GD, imagine if they did a rules change like this on single mini or something, where painting gods spend the whole year preparing! :wow:I\'m sorry, I got too angry earlier, I guess it\'s not the end of the world, but I was pretty incensed
Happy painting
~Bill
This just seems like the two classic counter-arguments to genuine, completely understandable complaints against institutions/big groups etc.:
1. You have no control over it, its not owned by you, so stop complaining.
2. It was even worse way back when, so stop complaining now - you\'re lucky its a bit better.
Just unhelpful really...
DrEvilmonki
Active member
Or perfectly helpful, depends on your viewpoint. Personaly I can\'t see the point in getting shitty over something you have no control over. Do you honestly think GW is going to lose any sleep over this? So you guys working yourselves into a lather over it is really only detrimental to yourselves. Yes sometimes life is just unfair - get over it.
I\'m sorry you completely missed my point, Marmoset. Pick dragons or dragon ogres or anything that\'s substantially larger than a single 28mm mini, it\'s going to have a bigger initial effect on the judge. I say that letting large minis in on the same category as small ones is unfair. Comparing apples and oranges is what it is.
Your point about splitting the Youngbloods into all the \'adult\' categories does indeed seem to be an obvious solution, but are there enough youngblood entries to qualify this?
