Scibor\'s sculpting technique...?
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generulpoleaxe
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don\'t think your a goon mate
just didn\'t want to see things turn ugly.
No Such Agency
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Holy cats, the Frothers forums really get quite um, blunt don\'t they? And they sure don\'t hide their feelings about Scibor Don\'t sugarcoat the pill, guys lol
Don\'t sugarcoat the pill, guys lolpersonally
couldn\'t care less how it\'s done...
GW has that type of equipment...they can make terminators that look as good as detailed as scibors...i say they should.
(main reason why GW is relegated to ebay only, and that\'s just for the 1 army i have (lizardmen)).
rest of their minis for most part are crap.
Sanjay
couldn\'t care less how it\'s done...
GW has that type of equipment...they can make terminators that look as good as detailed as scibors...i say they should.
(main reason why GW is relegated to ebay only, and that\'s just for the 1 army i have (lizardmen)).
rest of their minis for most part are crap.
Sanjay
I have to agree with Sanjay here...
I don\'t understand why it bothers some that Scibor makes his minis that way. So, just don\'t buy them. It\'s simple really. Who cares if people spend uber amounts of money on them, more power to them! T\'aint my money.
If they were completely disliked, and unbought, then Scibor would probably stop making them...
I don\'t understand why it bothers some that Scibor makes his minis that way. So, just don\'t buy them. It\'s simple really. Who cares if people spend uber amounts of money on them, more power to them! T\'aint my money.
If they were completely disliked, and unbought, then Scibor would probably stop making them...
Originally posted by No Such Agency
Holy cats, the Frothers forums really get quite um, blunt don\'t they? And they sure don\'t hide their feelings about Scibor
A while back Scibor claimed to have sculpted some historical figures. Despite being fairly average for the most part, the faces were near perfect. Fairly suspicious for someone who has admitted to making casts of Space Marine heads. He was called on it by a couple Frothers who recognized the heads. There is no love lost there for Scibor.
On the upside, he is sculpting his own heads now.
One of the main problems with his conversions/sculpts is there is a huge discrepancy between the quality of what is molded and what he has sculpted himself. His reliance on the molds has retarded his improvement.
Some of his conversions are downright sloppy when it comes to the hand-sculpted details, but they sell anyway because people are blinded by the intricate machine-made stuff. That is one of the things that the Frothers crowd criticise him for. Not the fact that he uses machines.
Anders...
I understand that point, however....if I am spending money..i want it to look good.
I would be upset if there were finger prints, etc and I see in some pics, a few of them have that problem...
But the technique.
I have made molds manually and tried making detail like that. The technique cyril uses does work although I can\'t make it look as good yet due to lack of practice, but if I could make details look like scibors...i\'d be so happy
It\'s same reason I stated for me, except for maybe a couple liz models, all my GW stuff is ebay, while I am willing to pay for FW models...
I pay for the quality of the model..
if you make something nice, I will buy it (sometimes, still from ebay, but at least i will consider full price ) hehe
I think he shows people what can be done... so again, my issue is why won\'t GW do that? and make models that look as good (but with their cleaner methods so no finger prints).
If they had boxes of space marines that looked that good..people won\'t care of the extra cost
Sanjay
I understand that point, however....if I am spending money..i want it to look good.
I would be upset if there were finger prints, etc and I see in some pics, a few of them have that problem...
But the technique.
I have made molds manually and tried making detail like that. The technique cyril uses does work although I can\'t make it look as good yet due to lack of practice, but if I could make details look like scibors...i\'d be so happy
It\'s same reason I stated for me, except for maybe a couple liz models, all my GW stuff is ebay, while I am willing to pay for FW models...
I pay for the quality of the model..
if you make something nice, I will buy it (sometimes, still from ebay, but at least i will consider full price
) heheI think he shows people what can be done... so again, my issue is why won\'t GW do that? and make models that look as good (but with their cleaner methods so no finger prints).
If they had boxes of space marines that looked that good..people won\'t care of the extra cost
Sanjay
darthfoley
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I can understand people being put off by his \'casting\' or whatever you want to call it, but wow those cats go over the top. I also don\'t see the problems they seem to keep bringing up about \'rubber glove\' hands and \'galoshes\' feet, etc...
They look like fun to paint, IMO. /shrug
They look like fun to paint, IMO. /shrug
Exactly. You want ALL things to look good, not only the armour plates, shields and capes. I know the man can sculpt if he puts effort into it. But some of the conversions seem very hastily put together and only the machine-made parts look good. The hand-sculpted parts look rushed and not very good and there\'s finger prints and moldlines on the plastic parts in hard to reach spots.
Einion
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Reputedly; bearing in mind your following comment.
Agreed.
Anyone with some skill, which he has, that goes through that many projects in any reasonable timeframe (much less as many as he has done in a short period) would get much better in short order. But on the other hand maybe he\'s literally not trying because he doesn\'t need to - it\'s bought regardless - or he hasn\'t the work ethic to go for quality for his own satisfaction.
Yeah, those two are the things that made me scratch my head when he was in the spotlight a while back. But hey, if that\'s what the market will buy (for inflated prices) that\'s their problem.
Einion
There are a lot of good things about what Scibor produces and there are a lot of bad things too.
Ultimately though, I can\'t have anything but respect for someone making that much cash from commission and ebay work, regardless of what the overall quality may be. All I can say is well done. He\'s found a market and he\'s worked that bitch for all he can!
In fact I have even more respect because he manages to do so well despite some of the shortcomings of his work. And he\'s probably doing even better than it appears, because the average wage where he lives is pretty low as far as I\'m aware.
I think that there are other people who take issue with him for the exact reasons I\'ve just put down, but I say as long as he can keep getting away with it fair play to him!
Ultimately though, I can\'t have anything but respect for someone making that much cash from commission and ebay work, regardless of what the overall quality may be. All I can say is well done. He\'s found a market and he\'s worked that bitch for all he can!
In fact I have even more respect because he manages to do so well despite some of the shortcomings of his work. And he\'s probably doing even better than it appears, because the average wage where he lives is pretty low as far as I\'m aware.
I think that there are other people who take issue with him for the exact reasons I\'ve just put down, but I say as long as he can keep getting away with it fair play to him!
marcineczek0
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TERAZ POLSKA !!!
IMO everyone that badmouth Scibor are just jealous of his technique (machines) and all the money he gets from the minis. I know that His minis are sometimes sloppy but id doesn\'t change the fact that they sell. I got great respect for him for making it work. Im from Poland myself and I know that it is hard to get decent money for your hard work. I\'m glad that he and other Polish sculptors and painters are doing so good.
TERAZ POLSKA!!!
IMO everyone that badmouth Scibor are just jealous of his technique (machines) and all the money he gets from the minis. I know that His minis are sometimes sloppy but id doesn\'t change the fact that they sell. I got great respect for him for making it work. Im from Poland myself and I know that it is hard to get decent money for your hard work. I\'m glad that he and other Polish sculptors and painters are doing so good.
TERAZ POLSKA!!!
Einion
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Well actually my first issue was with the sloppy workmanship in certain areas (this is a detail-oriented hobby after all, so the standard of finish should be consistent IMO). Mould lines - really obvious ones - left on plastic parts?
But when I found out he was reproducing GW parts though, that crossed a line. Now if you think what he did \"wasn\'t that bad\" or \"well it\'s not the same as stealing\" or whatever but it amounts to theft, end of story:
http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=12196
Once you actually sculpt something commercial you get an entirely personal attitude on the concept of copyright violation that\'s quite different from the theoretical
Einion
Two points:
1: Despite Poland having joined the European Economic Community the regulations on copyright have not been agreed to, within the treaty. (Just like the Uk has not signed up to all the labour laws.) {Thanks to STU (Formerly Medved) for that information}
2: When buying anything the primary rule is Caveat Emptor.. Buyer beware.
And since Scibor has many repeat customers I must assume that they are happy with his/his workshop teams work.
And since we are criticising Scibor for Sloppy workmanship here let us redress the balance a little. How many of us on here have bitched about GW & Forgeworlds quality control? (Because I know I have).
Oh and while we are being honest, How many times have we each left a fingerprint in green stuff when we\'ve been working and missed the damn thing \'til it was too late?
1: Despite Poland having joined the European Economic Community the regulations on copyright have not been agreed to, within the treaty. (Just like the Uk has not signed up to all the labour laws.) {Thanks to STU (Formerly Medved) for that information}
2: When buying anything the primary rule is Caveat Emptor.. Buyer beware.
And since Scibor has many repeat customers I must assume that they are happy with his/his workshop teams work.
And since we are criticising Scibor for Sloppy workmanship here let us redress the balance a little. How many of us on here have bitched about GW & Forgeworlds quality control? (Because I know I have).
Oh and while we are being honest, How many times have we each left a fingerprint in green stuff when we\'ve been working and missed the damn thing \'til it was too late?
