This ones for Chern and who ever.
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Braveheart712
New member
A few random thoughts...
1) I like the wide variety of minis, both good and bad so I am personally not in favor of deleting any accounts. I do visit this sight nearly every day, but again only post every so often, so I am not in favor of any posting quota to keep your account active.
2) Tami, I know lurkers was not the term you meant, but is these people who view the site and help grow the hobby. Like Borg pointed out, this site has been very helpful in attracting people to the hobby. It was instramental in steering me back after a 17 year hiatus.
3) As far as rankings go here is a thought.....How about only ranking the members who actually pay their dues and support this site??? ( Umm I mean those people with stars after their log in name. ) I think this is a great idea because it would help pay the bills and like so many people here has stated, make for some welcomed change \"on the leader board\".
4)Personally I could care less about ranking, but I disagree with the idea that it is fixed and once you are in a spot you are locked there. I have made some recent advances up the ladder although the top is a long way up still. Really I don\'t care about cracking the \"top 100\' but the ranking is a useful wway to see my progress and get some feedback from some of the experts here.
5) Off topic... Borg, have you seen my post in the CMON feedback regaurding restocking of items on the CMON store?? Please help, I would like an answer if certain items are ever going to be replenished, thank!
1) I like the wide variety of minis, both good and bad so I am personally not in favor of deleting any accounts. I do visit this sight nearly every day, but again only post every so often, so I am not in favor of any posting quota to keep your account active.
2) Tami, I know lurkers was not the term you meant, but is these people who view the site and help grow the hobby. Like Borg pointed out, this site has been very helpful in attracting people to the hobby. It was instramental in steering me back after a 17 year hiatus.
3) As far as rankings go here is a thought.....How about only ranking the members who actually pay their dues and support this site??? ( Umm I mean those people with stars after their log in name. ) I think this is a great idea because it would help pay the bills and like so many people here has stated, make for some welcomed change \"on the leader board\".
4)Personally I could care less about ranking, but I disagree with the idea that it is fixed and once you are in a spot you are locked there. I have made some recent advances up the ladder although the top is a long way up still. Really I don\'t care about cracking the \"top 100\' but the ranking is a useful wway to see my progress and get some feedback from some of the experts here.
5) Off topic... Borg, have you seen my post in the CMON feedback regaurding restocking of items on the CMON store?? Please help, I would like an answer if certain items are ever going to be replenished, thank!
Artistic Fascists !!!!!!!!!
(sorry. missed my cue earlier) lol lol lol lol lol
Actually, I guess I wouldn\'t have a big problem with \"culling\" as carefully described and defined by FInn. Low scoring minis on inactive accounts wouldn\'t be too great of a loss. I think we need to be really careful about how we define what gets culled.
For instance, as I understand it, Jen Halley was recently sick for nearly a year and didn\'t post. Does anyone (with the possible exception of Chrispy
) really want us to delete all of Halley\'s images just because she went inactive?
As for the artistic fascism thing, that usually only arises when someone starts making statements like people whp score under 7 have no right to post here or that people who don\'t post thier minis have no right to participate in comments. Little things like that tend to get my blood boiling. Not reasoned and reasonable discussion.:innocent:
(sorry. missed my cue earlier) lol lol lol lol lol
Actually, I guess I wouldn\'t have a big problem with \"culling\" as carefully described and defined by FInn. Low scoring minis on inactive accounts wouldn\'t be too great of a loss. I think we need to be really careful about how we define what gets culled.
For instance, as I understand it, Jen Halley was recently sick for nearly a year and didn\'t post. Does anyone (with the possible exception of Chrispy
) really want us to delete all of Halley\'s images just because she went inactive?As for the artistic fascism thing,
that usually only arises when someone starts making statements like people whp score under 7 have no right to post here or that people who don\'t post thier minis have no right to participate in comments. Little things like that tend to get my blood boiling. Not reasoned and reasonable discussion.:innocent:
Ebonbuddha
Active member
Yeah. If the person can\'t post, they lose their spot. It\'s not like it\'s the end of the world.They can always repost them.
Sorry. But the extra stuff needs to go. You can\'t see any of the \"participating\" (lurkers or otherwise) from active people because little BillyJane Jones wants to put their tuff on the net to impress their friends. Then they discover the opposite sex, radio control car racing, parents think they worship Satan because of the minis...You get the idea.lol
Then again, you could just delete all of those \"Another Mini,A Next Mini,Une autre figurine\" or some other pseudo-cool follow the flock titled pictures. That\'ll clear up a lot of useful space.
Sorry. But the extra stuff needs to go. You can\'t see any of the \"participating\" (lurkers or otherwise) from active people because little BillyJane Jones wants to put their tuff on the net to impress their friends. Then they discover the opposite sex, radio control car racing, parents think they worship Satan because of the minis...You get the idea.lol
Then again, you could just delete all of those \"Another Mini,A Next Mini,Une autre figurine\" or some other pseudo-cool follow the flock titled pictures. That\'ll clear up a lot of useful space.
Chrispy
Active member
Well, things haven\'t changed much in the timespan YOU\'ve been here but when you talk about the top 50 painters who\'ve been here almost since day 1, a LOT has changed. It seemed nobody could beat the Haley. She was up there at number one and wasn\'t coming down, then low and behold Verzani slowly crept up and snatched it from her! As time went on and she forgot to post new minis here, her overall score dropped and now she is number 15.
Status around here doesn\'t happen overnight because you don\'t get better overnight. The only thing to do is practice, have patience, and most importantly forget you\'re ranking! That\'s why I don\'t put mine in my signature, I don\'t want to fret every time I go up or down one ranking.
The thing with CMON is is pretty much a global ranking with people in China, Africa, Asia, Russia, Germany, and almost every other major country and people get upset because they one their local painting competition and their mini only scores a 6 on here. Well, though. You have to concede there are people better than you and if you wnat to be as good as they are, you need their help. That\'s what this site is for, even if some of the top painters don\'t respond to your PM, there\'s literally thousands of people here to answer your posts on the forums, like I\'m doing now!
Even though our average voter is a 6 year old with a computer and a GW addiction, you take it for what it is.. Otherwise this site would be BlackOrc.com
Take it easy!
Status around here doesn\'t happen overnight because you don\'t get better overnight. The only thing to do is practice, have patience, and most importantly forget you\'re ranking! That\'s why I don\'t put mine in my signature, I don\'t want to fret every time I go up or down one ranking.
The thing with CMON is is pretty much a global ranking with people in China, Africa, Asia, Russia, Germany, and almost every other major country and people get upset because they one their local painting competition and their mini only scores a 6 on here. Well, though. You have to concede there are people better than you and if you wnat to be as good as they are, you need their help. That\'s what this site is for, even if some of the top painters don\'t respond to your PM, there\'s literally thousands of people here to answer your posts on the forums, like I\'m doing now!
Even though our average voter is a 6 year old with a computer and a GW addiction, you take it for what it is.. Otherwise this site would be BlackOrc.com
Take it easy!
borg
Administrator
I have to agree. CMON can be brutal. More so than any other competition in the World.
You can go and win a Sword (or whatever weapon that they give out nowadays) at Gamesday and be king of the hill for that one day. Here, you have Golden Demon winners from all over the World submitting on a daily basis. You win the sword in France, you submit here, you win the sword in Tibet, you submit the pic here, and the \"competition\" never ends here at CMON.
CMON is what it is, Cool minis or NOT. without the nots, then everyone is a 8-10, then what\'s the point. #1 requirement for CMON is you have to have thick skin. Ask for comments and keep trying. Chrispy is right, many have been knocked off their thrones, not because they got worse, but others got better. It is the nature of the site.
I will give you a very good example. Take Arjay, for example, he was a relative unknown, a decent painter, but not many noticed him. Then all of a sudden, out of the blue, he painted that Chrome on the I-kore (sorry, Urban Mammoth lol) young dwarf, and ever since then, he became one of the top painters. Or take Zaphod, again, solid painter, prolific, everybody knows him because he was friendly, not because he was exceptionally good, then again, one day, BAM, he painted the Cell 1999 Angel dude... I am sure there are plenty others. So people do improve and the bar get raised all the time.
I think what we need here is not a universal change on the site but better personal settings so that YOU can choose to view what you like to view with whatever qualifiers that you want. But this is a Chern thing and he is rather busy at the moment, but I am sure he will get to it eventually...
You can go and win a Sword (or whatever weapon that they give out nowadays) at Gamesday and be king of the hill for that one day. Here, you have Golden Demon winners from all over the World submitting on a daily basis. You win the sword in France, you submit here, you win the sword in Tibet, you submit the pic here, and the \"competition\" never ends here at CMON.
CMON is what it is, Cool minis or NOT. without the nots, then everyone is a 8-10, then what\'s the point. #1 requirement for CMON is you have to have thick skin. Ask for comments and keep trying. Chrispy is right, many have been knocked off their thrones, not because they got worse, but others got better. It is the nature of the site.
I will give you a very good example. Take Arjay, for example, he was a relative unknown, a decent painter, but not many noticed him. Then all of a sudden, out of the blue, he painted that Chrome on the I-kore (sorry, Urban Mammoth lol) young dwarf, and ever since then, he became one of the top painters. Or take Zaphod, again, solid painter, prolific, everybody knows him because he was friendly, not because he was exceptionally good, then again, one day, BAM, he painted the Cell 1999 Angel dude... I am sure there are plenty others. So people do improve and the bar get raised all the time.
I think what we need here is not a universal change on the site but better personal settings so that YOU can choose to view what you like to view with whatever qualifiers that you want. But this is a Chern thing and he is rather busy at the moment, but I am sure he will get to it eventually...
You are right Borg....
In that it would be good to keep the choice, as long as the site\'s capacity can handle it all.
Increased personal preferences would definitely be the way to go, but I still can\'t imagine anyone choosing the parameters:
Score: Below 3.5
Search Description: another mini/une autre fugurine
Manufacturer: Any
From: Anyone who hasn\'t logged in for over a year
But you never know....:flip:
In that it would be good to keep the choice, as long as the site\'s capacity can handle it all.
Increased personal preferences would definitely be the way to go, but I still can\'t imagine anyone choosing the parameters:
Score: Below 3.5
Search Description: another mini/une autre fugurine
Manufacturer: Any
From: Anyone who hasn\'t logged in for over a year
But you never know....:flip:
I agree with that...
I do agree that I don\'t want a site just for gorgeous eye candy. I even argued that point concerning inclusion of \'ingenious\' but not necessarily high voted entries into the CMON annual.
I definately love to see how artist progress. Zaphod and Arjay are perfect examples of this. As are folks like Dragonsreach, Trevor, Klute, etc. etc.
But the one thing all those folks (and many more I neglected to mention) have in common is that they are all pretty active either on the forums, the shoutbox, or just plain posting pics.
I see some creedence to the argument of maybe cancelling memberships (and taking down posts) if the members have not been active for a while. Maybe something like 18mos or 2 years...That would give plenty of time for someone to \'take a break\', yet still help seperate some of the dead weight.
I do agree that I don\'t want a site just for gorgeous eye candy. I even argued that point concerning inclusion of \'ingenious\' but not necessarily high voted entries into the CMON annual.
I definately love to see how artist progress. Zaphod and Arjay are perfect examples of this. As are folks like Dragonsreach, Trevor, Klute, etc. etc.
But the one thing all those folks (and many more I neglected to mention) have in common is that they are all pretty active either on the forums, the shoutbox, or just plain posting pics.
I see some creedence to the argument of maybe cancelling memberships (and taking down posts) if the members have not been active for a while. Maybe something like 18mos or 2 years...That would give plenty of time for someone to \'take a break\', yet still help seperate some of the dead weight.
Valander
Member
Chrispy and Borg point out some really good points.
While I get tired of seeing tons of \"crap\" on here, I fully realize that it\'s just a necessary part of the whole experience; you can\'t have great work without also having bad work. The only thing I really hate is a bajillion views of the same, badly painted miniature... :flame:
Anyway, I post stuff here when I can not to be able to say \"gee, check me out! I\'m number so-and-so,\" but more to get feedback and try to improve. On that end, the articles, forum postings, and (precious few) direct comments have helped me improve my own skills considerably. It\'s been slow going, but that\'s most probably due to the fact that I\'m in my senior year in a Computer Science BS, so I don\'t have anywhere near as much time to play with little plastic/lead/tin figures as I\'d like.
Even though I\'m not \"big\" on the rankings, I have to say that, given Borg\'s points above, I feel damned proud to be in the top 33% of painters across the world!:bouncy:
While I get tired of seeing tons of \"crap\" on here, I fully realize that it\'s just a necessary part of the whole experience; you can\'t have great work without also having bad work. The only thing I really hate is a bajillion views of the same, badly painted miniature... :flame:
Anyway, I post stuff here when I can not to be able to say \"gee, check me out! I\'m number so-and-so,\" but more to get feedback and try to improve. On that end, the articles, forum postings, and (precious few) direct comments have helped me improve my own skills considerably. It\'s been slow going, but that\'s most probably due to the fact that I\'m in my senior year in a Computer Science BS, so I don\'t have anywhere near as much time to play with little plastic/lead/tin figures as I\'d like.
Even though I\'m not \"big\" on the rankings, I have to say that, given Borg\'s points above, I feel damned proud to be in the top 33% of painters across the world!:bouncy:
I say keep the lower ones too. It is all part of the experience. It can be very intimidating to post a mini here but it is not as bad when you realize there are all levels of talent and abilities shown here. If you cull the lowest ones, I think even fewer people will post (and although some may say that is a good thing, I do not think that will be the case since it will become even more elitist and harsh).
I can learn more from a painter with abilities similar to my own than I can with the nearly perfect ones we are lucky enough to see so often. Sure, there are a few poorly painited miniatures with multiple views that can be very annoying, but I think it is a fair price to pay for learning and sharing.
I can learn more from a painter with abilities similar to my own than I can with the nearly perfect ones we are lucky enough to see so often. Sure, there are a few poorly painited miniatures with multiple views that can be very annoying, but I think it is a fair price to pay for learning and sharing.
That\'s a very good point..but...
There are curently 36862 piccies on this site, at least a third of them must be6 or below, probably about a quarter at 5 or below. That\'s 9000 minis...How many do you want for God\'s sake? You are not going to have meaningful U2Us with someone who has pissed off years ago so where is the learning and sharing?
Only a few people give comments and where on earth do they start with 36862 minis...
I agree we need a range of skill levels, but:
How many thousands are enough?
And,
How long to you want them to remain up there??
There are curently 36862 piccies on this site, at least a third of them must be6 or below, probably about a quarter at 5 or below. That\'s 9000 minis...How many do you want for God\'s sake? You are not going to have meaningful U2Us with someone who has pissed off years ago so where is the learning and sharing?
Only a few people give comments and where on earth do they start with 36862 minis...
I agree we need a range of skill levels, but:
How many thousands are enough?
And,
How long to you want them to remain up there??
borg
Administrator
Well, here is my 2 cents.
CMON does not only serve one purpose, it serves several. It provides a central point for people to have their galleries, kind of like elfwood for 2D artwork. You can vote on them if you like, you can leave messages if you want. and you can be sure that there are new stuff everyday, can\'t tell you how good the pics are going to be on any given day, but you can be sure that whenever there is a major painting comp, you will see some really kick ass entries here.
I see CMON as some sort of archive too. Just because some of the people moved on, haven\'t post for a while, don\'t mean that their work is not appreciated. Bobby only had 2-3 pics here and like many of you said Haley does not exactly come to CMON very often. But nevertheless, these are very talented artists that we can learn from. I assure you that from time to time, many of the top tier artists will try to compare themselves to these legends to see how they mesarure up.
Setting certain rules for deletion with non participation based on scores can allow some of these works of art to remain while culling others, but does CMON not have an underlying elitist attitude as it is? we have no shortage of server space... why not just let people be... Me, being one of the founders of the site have not submitted a pic for coupel years almost... so you are telling me that I need to delete my gallery lol
As far as the community aspect, you got it here on the forum. The gallery is almost a seperate entity. Participation with the gallery and participation on the forum don\'t always go hand in hand and should be viewed as such.
CMON does not only serve one purpose, it serves several. It provides a central point for people to have their galleries, kind of like elfwood for 2D artwork. You can vote on them if you like, you can leave messages if you want. and you can be sure that there are new stuff everyday, can\'t tell you how good the pics are going to be on any given day, but you can be sure that whenever there is a major painting comp, you will see some really kick ass entries here.
I see CMON as some sort of archive too. Just because some of the people moved on, haven\'t post for a while, don\'t mean that their work is not appreciated. Bobby only had 2-3 pics here and like many of you said Haley does not exactly come to CMON very often. But nevertheless, these are very talented artists that we can learn from. I assure you that from time to time, many of the top tier artists will try to compare themselves to these legends to see how they mesarure up.
Setting certain rules for deletion with non participation based on scores can allow some of these works of art to remain while culling others, but does CMON not have an underlying elitist attitude as it is? we have no shortage of server space... why not just let people be... Me, being one of the founders of the site have not submitted a pic for coupel years almost... so you are telling me that I need to delete my gallery lol
As far as the community aspect, you got it here on the forum. The gallery is almost a seperate entity. Participation with the gallery and participation on the forum don\'t always go hand in hand and should be viewed as such.
I don\'t mind removing ones that people have not logged on for awhile. I actually like the idea of about 9 months without logging on unless you have paid the mebership fee to at least remove the images. Perhaps put the ones that are an 8.5 or higher in a Hall of Fame and inactivate the rest.
What I was speaking out against was the idea of just removing the lowest ones across the board or just removing the lowest older ones and letting the others stay.
What I was speaking out against was the idea of just removing the lowest ones across the board or just removing the lowest older ones and letting the others stay.
Grey Mouser
New member
Ok so I did a little home work, since I started this thread. The images ranked 3 and below are not as many as I first thought, I only got 9 or so pages when I searched with that criteria. I do agree that the people who posted once and never posted again maybe should go.
For a couple of reasons. First it\'s not the end of the world. Second they had their 15 minutes of fame .. or lots longer in a few cases, and it makes them participate. S#@# or get off the pot so to speak.
I love looking at the old Games Day competitions in my white dwarfs and when I\'m done they go back on the shelf.
I\'m all for a Hall of Fame but maybe that\'s what the CMON annual is for???
For a couple of reasons. First it\'s not the end of the world. Second they had their 15 minutes of fame .. or lots longer in a few cases, and it makes them participate. S#@# or get off the pot so to speak.
I love looking at the old Games Day competitions in my white dwarfs and when I\'m done they go back on the shelf.
I\'m all for a Hall of Fame but maybe that\'s what the CMON annual is for???
Wappellious
New member
posting, voting, and forums
I guess I have to count myself as someone who would not want to remove members who don\'t write things on the forums.
This is only the second time I have posted a response here since I joined almost a year ago. I have posted a great deal of miniatures, voted dozens of times, left comments, and sent numerous messages (private) to fellow artists. Just because someone prefers to express opinions, etc., privately to other CMON members, they really shoud not be penalized.
When we first started out, our minis were mid 5\'s. I\'ll never forget how happy I was when I received my first 7, them my first 8, etc.
I have a few articles prepared to post, but it is very difficult to find the time to do so, much less keep up with the forums. Miniature painting is what I do for a living, and sometimes the messaging/posting to forums gets shoved to the background.
I didn\'t realize that you had to post things in the forums to get additional stars next to your name. I assumed that was just how many years a person had been a dues paying member, or how many figures they had posted.
If I remember correctly, there were about 19,300+ minis posted when we joined last August. That has nearly doubled! I have been wondering if the site was going to collapse under the wieght of so many postings, and I do recognize the need to trim this number down.
I just took several images down myself, when I noticed that I had 8 pages of minis. One reason I had been reluctant to do so was the fact that many people had taken the time to write comments. I appreciate those contributions, and I felt a little bad to take them down.
Speaking of work.. time to get back to it!
I guess I have to count myself as someone who would not want to remove members who don\'t write things on the forums.
This is only the second time I have posted a response here since I joined almost a year ago. I have posted a great deal of miniatures, voted dozens of times, left comments, and sent numerous messages (private) to fellow artists. Just because someone prefers to express opinions, etc., privately to other CMON members, they really shoud not be penalized.
When we first started out, our minis were mid 5\'s. I\'ll never forget how happy I was when I received my first 7, them my first 8, etc.
I have a few articles prepared to post, but it is very difficult to find the time to do so, much less keep up with the forums. Miniature painting is what I do for a living, and sometimes the messaging/posting to forums gets shoved to the background.
I didn\'t realize that you had to post things in the forums to get additional stars next to your name. I assumed that was just how many years a person had been a dues paying member, or how many figures they had posted.
If I remember correctly, there were about 19,300+ minis posted when we joined last August. That has nearly doubled! I have been wondering if the site was going to collapse under the wieght of so many postings, and I do recognize the need to trim this number down.
I just took several images down myself, when I noticed that I had 8 pages of minis. One reason I had been reluctant to do so was the fact that many people had taken the time to write comments. I appreciate those contributions, and I felt a little bad to take them down.
Speaking of work.. time to get back to it!
