What are they smoking over there?

[freakinacage]

Originally posted by supervike
@Ritual

Erm...

I was being sarcastic.

Perhaps we haven\'t met, I\'m supervike....

rofl

 

[Amazon warrior]

Er... what\'s a HOA? ???

 

[Zora]

Home Owners Association.

A group of fascists who tell you how your house, yard, etc. may look and what you may or may not have on or in said house or yard...

 

[Amazon warrior]

Originally posted by Zora
Home Owners Association.

A group of fascists who tell you how your house, yard, etc. may look and what you may or may not have on or in said house or yard...

Ack. Sounds like they need a better hobby... or a life.

 

[Ritual]

I have seen that sort of thing (HOA) on TV. What sort of real power do they have? If someone refuses, what ways of enforcing their rules have they got?

 

[Crestion du Sable]

Originally posted by Ritual
I have seen that sort of thing (HOA) on TV. What sort of real power do they have? If someone refuses, what ways of enforcing their rules have they got?

Depends on the covenants of the land.

Some can take you to court and sue to get their way.

Some can b!tch, moan, and shun you. Depends on the HOA really.

 

[airhead]

Originally posted by Ritual
I have seen that sort of thing (HOA) on TV. What sort of real power do they have? If someone refuses, what ways of enforcing their rules have they got?

Try $1000/day and a lien on your home.
That is enough power to get your attention in a hurry when they say you are not in compliance.

 

[Gilvan Blight]

Over here they can literally kick you out of the neighbourhood.

When the Wife and I were looking for houses were ran into a few of these. Areas where you can\'t put up fences since it ruins the Horizon Line, others where you couldn\'t plant any red flowers as they would contrast with the roofing colour, ones where you couldn\'t have loud conversation after 9:00pm. It\'s all BS to me, if I own my property I am going to do what I want with it.

 

[Zora]

Amen, Gilvan!

 

[Crestion du Sable]

Originally posted by Gilvan Blight
Over here they can literally kick you out of the neighbourhood.

When the Wife and I were looking for houses were ran into a few of these. Areas where you can\'t put up fences since it ruins the Horizon Line, others where you couldn\'t plant any red flowers as they would contrast with the roofing colour, ones where you couldn\'t have loud conversation after 9:00pm. It\'s all BS to me, if I own my property I am going to do what I want with it.

Amen brother. That\'s why I live in the sticks, no one to complain or sue of I let my grass get a little high.

My FiL however is the president of a condo association... that\'s something I don\'t understand... He own the part of the building, but not the grounds and not the upper story.

 

[Avelorn]

Oh God. No red flowers because it doesn\'t match the roofing?

Can\'t you make laws against these people?

 

[Ritual]

Originally posted by Crestion du Sable
My FiL however is the president of a condo association... that\'s something I don\'t understand... He own the part of the building, but not the grounds and not the upper story.

That sort of thing is common here. In fact, that\'s the way I live. My building is owned by an association together with a bunch of other buildings. When you \"buy\" an apartment you become a member of the association, so in actuality you are part owner of all the buildings the association owns. Besides that, I also own the right to my apartment.

 

[Crestion du Sable]

Originally posted by Ritual
That sort of thing is common here. In fact, that\'s the way I live. My building is owned by an association together with a bunch of other buildings. When you \"buy\" an apartment you become a member of the association, so in actuality you are part owner of all the buildings the association owns. Besides that, I also own the right to my apartment.

I guess I\'m just not familiar with it. Where I live, people are kind of part and parcel with the land they live on, and the land tends to stay in the family (or at least those of us who\'ve lived in an area for a long time).

 

[darklord]

well now in our great country you can get finded more for your bin lid being open by an inch than if you were caught shop lifting

 

[Amazon warrior]

Originally posted by darklord
well now in our great country you can get finded more for your bin lid being open by an inch than if you were caught shop lifting

Really? What\'s that all about? *hasn\'t lived in the UK for a while...*

 

[Braveheart712]

Two thoughts...

First I would gladly leave my shed unlocked, as well as my gun loaded with a full clip and the safety off. I guarantee that the thieves would avoid my house! ( God I love the second amandment!)

Second, agreements like covenants are somewhat nebulous and have been successfully challenged and defeated in many states. In theory they are a good idea, designed to help enhance communities and keep property values high by eliminating eyesores and unkept property within neighborhoods. In practice many times they infringe upon people basic rights and the law of the land. Here in the US you have the right to be secure and protect yourself and your property to some degree. A covenant or advisement that suggests otherwise ( the elimination of locks ) would easily violate this right. Covenant or no convenant, see the first paragraph for my response. Sidearm at the ready and Louisville Slugger in hand I would wait in a dark corner of my unlocked shed for my prey to visit...

 

[Avelorn]

@braveheart: Or they\'ll just shoot you little bits and pieces and then steal what they want. Or you manage to shoot them to little bits and pieces and wonder your entire life if it was worth it for a lawnmower and a gallon of gas.

In Rome they leave their keys in the car when they park so that other people can move it if it\'s in the way.

In my village we never used to lock our doors. Many of us didn\'t knock either, or just knocked one time and stepped right in. Can\'t do that here though.

Arming yourself to the teeth won\'t shield you from a society that is sick.

 

[Nelson]

hmm, these HOA\'s sound scary...and apparenty international?
I live in Victoria at the moment, and I know one municipality in the area (Oak Bay) has a few bylaws against things like parking r.v.s in your driveway, and *gasp*hanging your laundry out to dry...I\'m not sure if it\'s a HOA thing though, or what...

this is eerily reminiscent of Hot Fuzz, and the Village Council or what-have-you.

 

[Avelorn]

hanging your laundry out? No surely not Does that mean that we might accidently see a pair of underwear! :no: I\'m glad the fascists are around.

 

[No Such Agency]

Originally posted by Avelorn
hanging your laundry out? No surely not Does that mean that we might accidently see a pair of underwear! :no: I\'m glad the fascists are around.

No, it\'s because clotheslines look like something poor people might have. I\'m pretty sure that\'s why they supposedly \"drive down property values\". After all, decent middle class folks are prosperous, they can afford a dryer and don\'t need a clothesline. Appearing poor is some people\'s greatest fear.

It really boggles the mind. some HOA\'s have even gone so far as to enforce watering rules in the middle of a drought:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/695176.html

Though to be fair, a municipal watering ban trumps any HOA rule, and some HOA\'s themselves support such measures.