ipaintminis
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My original major was actually a double major of theatre and secondary education...till im famous, teach kinda thing.
but i realized that i enjoy learning too much.
but i realized that i enjoy learning too much.
College? who needs it....
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So all the tombs and gold and dinosaur bones have been dug up, but they still need people to excavate ancient latrines?Originally posted by finn17
They have certainly dug up most of the gold, shiny valuable stuff...but that isn\'t real archaeology.
It would be like future archaeologists digging up Fort Knox, Buckingham Palace and the Pentagon. Nice...but doesn\'t tell you anything about how real people actually lived. To find that out..you have to excavate, landfills, middens etc...Not as financially rewarding, but very informative:flip:
Now thats a shitty job if I ever heard one...
Sorry for the DP
But I just found something...
I just found this while looking at some stuff over at Hobby-Online.
She\'s called Monica Bluklinski! lol
But I just found something...
I just found this while looking at some stuff over at Hobby-Online.
She\'s called Monica Bluklinski! lol
DM of Doom
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Belmont Technical College for 2 quarters, until I realized that hanging out in some girl\'s van smoking cigarettes instead of going to class wasn\'t going to work...
University of Akron until I realized that playing D&D, Star Wars RPG, and Magic the Gathering until 3 or 4 AM every night and sleeping past classes wasn\'t going to work either...
4 years in the Navy Seabees as an Engineering Aid (office bitch)...
Moved on to telecommuntications cabling for a year, 6 months as an \"Erection Specialist\", putting up motorized scaffolding, and the last 3 years as a glorified lawn boy.
I\'m not completely useless, I can be used as a bad example!
University of Akron until I realized that playing D&D, Star Wars RPG, and Magic the Gathering until 3 or 4 AM every night and sleeping past classes wasn\'t going to work either...
4 years in the Navy Seabees as an Engineering Aid (office bitch)...
Moved on to telecommuntications cabling for a year, 6 months as an \"Erection Specialist\", putting up motorized scaffolding, and the last 3 years as a glorified lawn boy.
I\'m not completely useless, I can be used as a bad example!
Einion
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Art school, design college and technical training (Graphic Reproduction Technology to give it its full title, much less grand than it sounds!) all in Ireland. Then I went out into the real world and started to actually learn
College/university, in addition to the book learnin\', does allow some people to mature in a relatively protected environment which can be useful and some career paths require certain qualifications, simple as that.
I sure as hell recommend that someone genuinely interested in photography go the gofer/assistant route as you can learn all you need to on your own and on the job, but for graphic design it\'s not nearly so easy so there\'s a lot to be said for the traditional educational route as it gives you a good grounding (or it should at least) in the history of the craft and other areas that pay off in the future in my experience - I was in one of the very last years to learn traditional typesetting and the difference between the standards then and now in the WYSIWYG world is pretty ghastly (think Sturgeon\'s Law).
Einion
I\'d have to say that I agree with this up to a point depending on one\'s level of motivation and the direction you\'d like to go.
College/university, in addition to the book learnin\', does allow some people to mature in a relatively protected environment which can be useful and some career paths require certain qualifications, simple as that.
I sure as hell recommend that someone genuinely interested in photography go the gofer/assistant route as you can learn all you need to on your own and on the job, but for graphic design it\'s not nearly so easy so there\'s a lot to be said for the traditional educational route as it gives you a good grounding (or it should at least) in the history of the craft and other areas that pay off in the future in my experience - I was in one of the very last years to learn traditional typesetting and the difference between the standards then and now in the WYSIWYG world is pretty ghastly (think Sturgeon\'s Law).
Look on the bright side: at least it\'s not as bad, yet, as the \"You\'re all winners!\" attitude that appears to be prevalent on the other side of the Atlantic
Yep, as most of us know there are members of Mensa in all walks of life and the most intelligent guy on the planet apparently works as a doorman because he finds it interesting work and it leaves him time to think!
Look on the bright side: at least you\'re not living in Japan.
Not according to Zahi Hawass, course he might be just a tad biased
Einion
@tzor - Hofstra\'s a great school! I had considered them for their fine arts program, but decided that the only \'acting\' I was really good at was acting like an a__hole. lol
The fact they are across from the Nassau Colliseum didn\'t hurt either (rock concerts!)
Don\'t make it so easy...
lol:bouncy::flip:
The fact they are across from the Nassau Colliseum didn\'t hurt either (rock concerts!)
I told you guys, I like to WORK for my jokes...
Don\'t make it so easy...
lol:bouncy::flip:
i spent one year at *breathes in deep* California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo. Was going to be a manufacturing engineer, but yeah... it was pretty much the same there as it was in high school. But hey, the year was at least free to me. Only paid 400 bucks out of my pocket, the rest was scholarships. i work fabrication now... make 7 thousand dollar bikes. It\'s pretty cool work and the pay\'s alright.
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Originally posted by MarkusTay
I told you guys, I like to WORK for my jokes...
Don\'t make it so easy...
lol:bouncy::flip:
That was my honest-to-God job title. You should have seen the look on the tax preparer guy\'s face when he asked me: \"job title\". It ruled. My current job title on tax paperwork: \"Mulch Fluffer\"
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Would have to disagree NSA. The days of people creating their debt through drink and drugs are long gone. Simply attending uni and paying fees will land you with a MINIMUM £15000 debt, usually more.
The number of people gaining degrees is now up to around 45%. Your assumption of the intellectual standing of university goers is somewhat over estimated in my experience. As is your dismissal of careers that do not involve a myriad of pointless examinations and academia.
The problem with the whole education system in the UK is that it is based on non-vocational learning, which is of very little use when it comes to putting food in your mouth and a roof over your head!
The simple truth is that in the UK there are major skills shortages in certain areas. A plumber can earn upwards of £60000 p.a! This allied to the fact that it is easy to set up your own business and work for yourself make it a pretty desirable career at the moment.
It\'s builders, joiners, plumbers, plasterers and the like that we need more of. Not telesales operatives!
Mr.S.Marbo
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I have seen some interesting things on this discussion, and I\'d agree unless you do a degree in a subject that\'s \"in demand\" such as Medicine, Radiography, Physiotherapy, and the like, as well as certain sciences (Chemistry springs to mind) as well as Teaching (in the UK at least), then you can no longer expect a nice \"well paid\" job when you leave anymore.
I did a BA (Hons) at Keele University in Economics and Human Resource Management (with subsidiary subjects of Mathematics and Biophysics). I can tell you that doing this degree gave me no help whatsoever in getting a job, but I with hindsight I wouldn\'t have missed doing it. I might even go as far as saying that if I didn\'t do the degree I may have been in a better financial position than I am at the moment (and when I did my degree there were no tuition fees and there was still a grant - even if it was a bit miserly).
What University is great for and what the main thing it gave me was a bit more of an insight into the World. I met people from all sorts of countries and walks of life. I met people from Australia, Singapore, Malaysia, Kenya, Germany, Cyprus and Holland as well as people from the UK. As a result I\'ve travelled to Germany and lived there with someone who lives there as opposed to doing the tourist thing. Its an eye opener to mix with people from all over the World and I can tell you if everyone had to do this I am sure we would all be less shallow and more accepting.
Secondly university and college can help you get into the idea of critical thinking if you are taught properly. We all have the opportunity to vote and we should all be challenging and examining things that go on in our world that just don\'t seem right.
I feel the UK government at the moment thinks of university in money terms only. They seem to think more people at university = more productivity when these people are employed = higher economic growth = more money for the people that go to university - therefore its logical to charge people who go to university. It all boils down to economics and money to them, which I feel is slightly flawed. I also feel a lot of the principles of economics are flawed too. Economics is the reason the railways were privatised in the UK. After privatisation our train service is worse than before in terms of punctuality, reliability and ease of travel. Even safety has taken a hit and taxpayers are still chucking money at the private rail companies some of which goes to line the pockets of shareholders. Its dangerous to always think only in terms of money
I did a BA (Hons) at Keele University in Economics and Human Resource Management (with subsidiary subjects of Mathematics and Biophysics). I can tell you that doing this degree gave me no help whatsoever in getting a job, but I with hindsight I wouldn\'t have missed doing it. I might even go as far as saying that if I didn\'t do the degree I may have been in a better financial position than I am at the moment (and when I did my degree there were no tuition fees and there was still a grant - even if it was a bit miserly).
What University is great for and what the main thing it gave me was a bit more of an insight into the World. I met people from all sorts of countries and walks of life. I met people from Australia, Singapore, Malaysia, Kenya, Germany, Cyprus and Holland as well as people from the UK. As a result I\'ve travelled to Germany and lived there with someone who lives there as opposed to doing the tourist thing. Its an eye opener to mix with people from all over the World and I can tell you if everyone had to do this I am sure we would all be less shallow and more accepting.
Secondly university and college can help you get into the idea of critical thinking if you are taught properly. We all have the opportunity to vote and we should all be challenging and examining things that go on in our world that just don\'t seem right.
I feel the UK government at the moment thinks of university in money terms only. They seem to think more people at university = more productivity when these people are employed = higher economic growth = more money for the people that go to university - therefore its logical to charge people who go to university. It all boils down to economics and money to them, which I feel is slightly flawed. I also feel a lot of the principles of economics are flawed too. Economics is the reason the railways were privatised in the UK. After privatisation our train service is worse than before in terms of punctuality, reliability and ease of travel. Even safety has taken a hit and taxpayers are still chucking money at the private rail companies some of which goes to line the pockets of shareholders. Its dangerous to always think only in terms of money
College or university is not the only way to gain insight or learn to think critically. Travel is one way. Study for its own sake (self-study or evening school) is another.
Deification of college/university as the the only road to enlightenment is pure poo... either a person will look to their horizons or they won\'t, the medium by which they do so should not be the main issue.
Deification of college/university as the the only road to enlightenment is pure poo... either a person will look to their horizons or they won\'t, the medium by which they do so should not be the main issue.
seems strange to me that people are talking about universty as a place to reach enlightment or \'knowledge of the world\' or such things. I mean if I go to university it\'s to learn about a specifique subject, management, human ressource, political science, whatever. All those things about deeper understanding of the world and people or whatever as nothing to do with university in my opininon.
And I don\'t know about other countries but in france you basically have to get some form of higher education if you want to make a decent living. and usually unversities make a good job of teaching people. Apart from a couple of studies wich don\'t really lead to a job, but those a free anyway so student shouldn\'t complain. I mean they expect to go have 5 years of fun studying psychologie for free and come out with a job, as if France needed 2 millions psychologist every year
To sum it up, want to choose what job you\'ll be doing and make a decent living out of it : go to university and work your ass off, that\'s how it works here.
And I don\'t know about other countries but in france you basically have to get some form of higher education if you want to make a decent living. and usually unversities make a good job of teaching people. Apart from a couple of studies wich don\'t really lead to a job, but those a free anyway so student shouldn\'t complain. I mean they expect to go have 5 years of fun studying psychologie for free and come out with a job, as if France needed 2 millions psychologist every year
To sum it up, want to choose what job you\'ll be doing and make a decent living out of it : go to university and work your ass off, that\'s how it works here.
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Splendidly eloquent sentiments Jerome!
As for judging things in terms of \'money\', if I invest £20000 and 5 years in something, I want a bloody good return on my investment. I don\'t feel that the return I and many others I know received was worth all the hard work and the many years of repayment. I could have been earning and learning, and in a damn sight better financial position than I am now.
As for all the bullshit about enlightenment - well I\'ve met plenty of completely ignorant cretins with honours degrees! The main thing uni taught me was how to beg for cash, how to cook a decent meal with shit ingredients and how to use a washing machine!
In my opinion the value of a degree in the UK is being undermined by the amount of people doing them. Are 50% of the nation really good enough to be getting these qualifications? Are they as rigorous as they should be? Are the entry requirements stringent enough? The answer to all those questions has to be no.
Let\'s face it. Lashing people to mortgage sized debts from an early age is a great way of keeping those people working and softening them up for the \'debt culture\' that is rife in the UK at the moment.
It\'s the same way here, Space. So many kids are coming out of school with bullsh_t degrees and wind up getting jobs at the local McDonalds. The worse is a computer science degree. It is ABSOLUTELY worthless. Computer companies hire based on Real World skill levels. They are more likey to make an offer to a 14 year old kid who scripted a killer app. then to some pimple faced 22 year old with \"C\" average and a diploma. How do you think Bill gates started? At Fourteen he was writing the original version of DOS, that was later bought up by IBM. It is talent, not degrees that get you anywhere in the tech industry, and these poor kids are being lied to and told they will make a fortune if they go into computers. Most of the people I know who are involved in the computer industry (programmers, IT guys, web gurus, hardware guys, etc...) NEVER went to school for it. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING compares to real world experience to help you get by in life.
What useful things did I pick-up in college? I can bounce a quarter into a glass seventy five times in a row...
What useful things did I pick-up in college? I can bounce a quarter into a glass seventy five times in a row...
College/university is the proper place to gain the knowledge necessary to function in some specialized field of endevour -- probably difficult to do whatever it is a lawyer does without spending the hours in school required to ingest the massive amounts of specialized information needed to work as a lawyer. Fair enough.
Don\'t try to feed us the line that a college degree is necessary to get along in life.
BTW, Markus, you freak, get off that horse and take your place in the freak bathroom queue! lollollol
Don\'t try to feed us the line that a college degree is necessary to get along in life.
BTW, Markus, you freak, get off that horse and take your place in the freak bathroom queue! lollollol
