College? who needs it....

[Astorderire]

Message original : frenchkid
and usually unversities make a good job of teaching people.

Not the first 3 years, you have to wait Maitrise to learn something efficiantely. Par exemple, en TP, les profs sont également des chercheurs ( Chouette! ) mais n\'enseignent pas forcement leur domaine de competence: j\'ai eu 2 charmants profs de TP qui avait découvert le sujet dont ils devaient nous parler 1 demi-heure avant le court sur une fiche format A5! Et en toute bonne foi, ils nous ont conter des énormités sans se poser trop de question ).
Avoid french universities and pass your \"concour\"!

 

[frenchkid]

Originally posted by Astorderire

Message original : frenchkid
and usually unversities make a good job of teaching people.

Not the first 3 years, you have to wait Maitrise to learn something efficiantely. Par exemple, en TP, les profs sont également des chercheurs ( Chouette! ) mais n\'enseignent pas forcement leur domaine de competence: j\'ai eu 2 charmants profs de TP qui avait découvert le sujet dont ils devaient nous parler 1 demi-heure avant le court sur une fiche format A5! Et en toute bonne foi, ils nous ont conter des énormités sans se poser trop de question ).
Avoid french universities and pass your \"concour\"!

oui c\'est vrai que vu comme ca
En fait ah mon avis ya deux niveau d\'education superieur en france. Les uni gratuite et d\'on l\'acces est ouvert a tout le monde, et la bah le niveau est pas top, ce qui implique beaucoups de travaille personel pour reussir. Et pi apres ya les \'grande etude\' : prepa, iep, polytechnique, et autre truc, beaucoups de travail perso aussi d\'aileur ( j\'ai pas finnit d\'en baver moi ).
d\'ailleur au passage mes concour sont pour une entree en uni puisque les IEP sont considere comme des etudes universitaire, c\'est just plus selectif ( un peut comme medcine quoi).

 

[Equus]

Originally posted by ipaintminis
My original major was actually a double major of theatre and secondary education...till im famous, teach kinda thing.

but i realized that i enjoy learning too much.

Don\'t let theatre instructors hear you talk about teaching. A few of them have a profound bias to teach people who are going to be \"artists\", and don\'t really like teaching folks who also want to be instructors. Who knows, maybe they don\'t like the competition.

 

[Mr.S.Marbo]

Originally posted by marineboy
College or university is not the only way to gain insight or learn to think critically. Travel is one way..... Deification of college/university as the the only road to enlightenment is pure poo...

I was not suggesting college or university is the only way to learn to think critically or to broaden your thinking. Neither was I suggesting those who have been to uni are somehow better than those who haven\'t. Far from it. In my case I feel it did for me though. Travel is certainly another way - but a lot of people go on holiday where the sun is and where its cheap - they will drink and go on the beach. Nothing wrong with that (I have done it before too); people need to relax and if it makes you happy do it, but its not going to \"teach\" you anything. It\'s not easy to sort out travel where you can really learn stuff and get a different perspective. Once you get into the grind that is 9-5 work - time is a major problem.

As for some people having degree\'s and being ignorant of stuff is also very true. Also I have met people with no / not many formal qualifications who know a hell of a lot. As with all of life its what you put in that helps you get something out of it. If you go to university and put effort in, branch out and meet people from different cultures then you will get rewards. If you go to another country for 6 months / a year say, make an effort to speak the local language and live there like a local you will learn too. There are also different routes I have just given two here.

If more people had experience of living with people from other cultures and countries and put effort in trying to examine things more rigourously (however way they learn this) political parties such as the BNP (British National Party - who currently advocate things such as sending people from other cultures back to their countries of origin probably by force) would find their ideas exposed as trash and they would not have any support.

 

[Astorderire]

Message original : frenchkid

En fait ah mon avis ya deux niveau d\'education superieur en france. Les uni gratuite et d\'on l\'acces est ouvert a tout le monde, et la bah le niveau est pas top, ce qui implique beaucoups de travaille personel pour reussir. Et pi apres ya les \'grande etude\' : prepa, iep, polytechnique, et autre truc, beaucoups de travail perso aussi d\'aileur ( j\'ai pas finnit d\'en baver moi ).

C\'est exactement ça! Le manque d\'encadrement en \"Uni\" est dévastateur les premieres années et constitue, avec l\'ennui et l\'age, un moyen de sélection caché ( du propre aveu d\'un enseignant de ma connaissance! ). En prepa puis en grandes écoles et Cie, tu n\'as pas le loisir de faire la difference entre travail perso et travail tout court, tu es tout simplement submergé. J\'ai pratiqué les deux systemes ( prepa veto & deug-licence de physio à Jussieu). Dans les 2 cas pour survivre il faut se trouver des amis de confiance, pour la prepa il faut savoir garder l\'objectif final en tête ( mais ça reste une loterie: j\'étais 2eme de ma classe et ce sont le 8eme et le 12eme qui ont integré :flame: ) et pour l\'Uni il faut se faire remarquer ( si possible en bien encore que... j\'ai commencé mon Deug en m\'engueulant avec notre prof d\'anglais et j\'ai fini l\'année avec un joli 18 ( 1er sur 3000 ou 4000 !) dans cette matiere alors que 16 était la note max dans ma categorie ) rapidement par les profs (donc participer le plus possible et y aller au panache ie pas de conformisme ). Bref bon courage!

 

[Braveheart712]

Becca,

I think whatever you choose to door wherever you decide to go you will be sucessful.

To answer you question I went to SUNY Brockport, graduating with a BS in Criminal Justice and a BS in Studio Art (Photography, Drawing and Metal Jewelry emphasis). Like you I had dreams of law school, but couldn\'t see myself in school any longer so I decided to get a \"real job\" and never went back. Like many here, I too have thought of the road not travelled, but mostly I am happy with the course my life has taken. While I somewhat agree that many talented people I have met did not graduate and vice versa (cart pushers with BA degree), I would say these are exceptions not generally the rule. Graduating shows commitment, drive, and the ability to persevere. Yes, that degree might not translate perfectly in the career you end up persuing ( I am a graphic artist), but it is worth obtaining just for your own sence of accomplishment. Besides, it also serves a reminder of the many college parties, girlfriends, hangovers, etc that went along with college as well. Was it worth it? Put it like this, it kept me out of the \"real world\" for 4 1/2 years, so in my opinion, hell yes!

 

[vincegamer]

Becca,
Don\'t listen to the disgruntled voices here. Like anything, you get out roughly what you put in, and Universities provide opportunity. I think a degree, whatever it is in, is a worthwhile thing.

to answer the question:
*St. Gregory\'s College, Shawnee, Oklahoma, AS in Natural Science
*Cornell University, Ithaca, NY BA in History (started in pre-vet so I was the only History major to have his hand in a live cow\'s stomach)
*The University of Central Oklahoma, Edmond, OK, MA in Museum Studies
*The George Washington University, Washington, DC, J.D.

 

[supervike]

I agree...

unfortuantely I never finish college when I first attended, but am seriously considering beginning again this fall.

BUT, an education is one thing in life no one can ever take away from you.

 

[MarkusTay]

Originally posted by supervike
BUT, an education is one thing in life no one can ever take away from you.

Unless someone hits you in the head with a baseball bat and causes severe head trauma...

lol

 

[Naukhel]

I didn\'t. Which is really kind of sad, because while still in High School, I turned down an invitation to join Canada\'s Olympic Weight Lifting team, dropped out of a band going on tour that actually went somewhere (Slik Toxic - though Nick, the lead singer, denies I was ever affiliated with them, now - the ass), and then couldn\'t afford college or university.
OSAP said I made enough to go, and I said \"Sure, if I don\'t eat or clothe myself for four years, I\'ll be fine.\"

They didn\'t like my tone, I guess.

So I\'m an uneducated lout with a high school diploma, and that\'s it.

 

[supervike]

Originally posted by MarkusTay

Originally posted by supervike
BUT, an education is one thing in life no one can ever take away from you.

Unless someone hits you in the head with a baseball bat and causes severe head trauma...

lol

oh yeah, theres always that...lollollol

 

[dauber22]

Originally posted by vincegamer
Becca,
Don\'t listen to the disgruntled voices here. Like anything, you get out roughly what you put in, and Universities provide opportunity. I think a degree, whatever it is in, is a worthwhile thing.

Have to agree with you on that, VInce. Okay. I can\'t personnally attest on the degree thing. Never actually made it to that but...

went to State University College at Oswego - yes SUCO!! They\'ve since changed the name to SUNY Oswego. The shirts aren\'t near as much fun, though. Majored in Art, minored in Physics and Psychology. After 6 years and enough credits to be a first semester Senior I packed it in and went to work full-time instead.
Many years later, attended Art Institute of Dallas. Didn\'t finish there, either.

 

[Legacy Account]

Originally posted by vincegamer
Like anything, you get out roughly what you put in...

Call me cynical, but if only that were true....

 

[vincegamer]

Okay, Spacemunkie is cynical!

IPM, as to who needs it, there are several positions that require it, and if you ever work for the government, a degree will put you in a higher pay scale. You don\'t need it to succeed in life, but it opens more doors.

 

[ipaintminis]

oh i am definatly getting/finishing a degree...possiably more than one, and being a \"dr.\" of something is sounding really good.

see I really enjoy learning, and the State of Florida pays for my education if i go to a public school, so, I get free classes, and i like going to class,

so....i dont think ill be leaving anytime soon. :flip:

 

[minimaker]

Becka, good luck with whatever you choose to do. Haven\'t met you in person but my inpression from the list is that you have the brains for it, so go for it.
As to theatre and music, you can always do that on the side. There a fair number of actors who actually have a college degree (on not just an honorary one) and did that during study.

To answer your question, I studied for my BA mechanical engineering in Tilburg and for my MSc engineering product design in Utrecht (though that was ion coorperation with the university of Wolverhampton).

A few notes to add to the remarks here.

A degree is no garantee on work in your own field. This depends on many more things like availability of jobs, economy, luck, interest, your personality, looks, etc, etc. Oh, and whether you are actually any good at it and put effort into becoming what you\'d like to become.

What a degree does do though is that it gives you access to particular jobs. Some because it follows your study, others because it follows the skills that have been honed during the study. For instance, philosophers get hired by multinationals since they are trained to think in multiple ways which is useful in analysis. Or from my own field, mechanical engineers often end up in other fields
because their analysis and problemsolving skills have been honed.

Bye, Ming-Hua