I didn\'t wanna bring it up, BUT...

[Torn blue sky]

Ok I think we foirgot everynation apart frome the aformentioned that were involved in the WOLD wars. But the fact it (accept it) America did NOT win WWII, and if we did ban guns wold wide shit likr this would NOT cease to exist! Fact is if you want to kill 33 people (including yourself) theres always a way to make it happen. Full...stop.

Stop balming every little thing

 

[funnymouth]

my point exactly (way back on page 1).

on the other hand, we can still lean from it.

my question: did we learn anything from 9/11? is emergency service responce any better now than it was then? judging by katrina and this shooting, id say no. our \"securing america,\" stance seems like so much propaganda whan you realize we havent done anything.

 

[Swordwind]

If you cant get a handgun where do you get an assault rifle from?

Threads such as these are simply a reflection of the world we live in. We are at war, not just against foreign types who think its just peachy to slit all out throats whilst we sleep, but also against ourselves.
You know the phrase \"I\'m an individual. Just like everybody else\"? In the West from the second we are born we are brainwashed to believe we are all special beautiful snowflakes. Expect that 99.99% of us arent. So when someone cant accept that fact, like the guy at VT, they think that they are being singled out. He was obsessed with a girl who was with another guy? OMG! Stop the presses, because thats never happened before! Christ almighty, I imagine most of us would have gone on killing sprees if thats the way it worked.
Though they sure did help him along the way, the huge ammount of guns in America are only partially to blame. Though inadvertantly, all of Western and particulary American culture is to blame for filling the poor sorry bastards head with so much shit.

 

[Evil Dave]

Originally posted by Swordwind
Though inadvertantly, all of Western and particulary American culture is to blame for filling the poor sorry bastards head with so much shit.

Hogwash, otherwise this would happen far more often and be a purely western phenomenon. It is not.
Insanity does not stop at borders.

 

[Swordwind]

How often do you hear about school shootings in eastern countries? Sure theres a hell of a lot of lunatics blowing each other up for religious and political reasons, but they rarely just snap and shoot each other up.

 

[DrEvilmonki]

I would just like to point out that gun control does not equal a ban on guns. However with rights comes responsibility surely?

 

[Dragon Forge Design]

Originally posted by DrEvilmonki
I would just like to point out that gun control does not equal a ban on guns. However with rights comes responsibility surely?

That goes along with the saying that guns don\'t kill people, people kill people I suppose. I for one grew up around firearms, I learned to shoot and to hunt in my early teens and was taught to respect a firearm and what its capable of doing. I was also taught right from wrong and to be responsible for my actions. Something Im sure this fellow wasn\'t. But the point that I see most people fail to discuss is not that this person took the lives of 32 other innocent people, but why he did it and what drove him too it. From what Ive been reading from an early age he was tormented by his pears and fellow students and even by some teachers for things as simple as having a hard time learning and speaking the english language as a teanager. The sad thing is he was an individual who was different and was picked on for it and in the end felt he had no recourse than to do what he did. Maybe they can learn from the clues he left behind in his writings and his computor and use it to help some other person from doing such a terrible deed.

 

[Infidel Castro]

Originally posted by supervike
I think its safe to say Britain would NOT have lasted through WW2 without the help of the US. The converse is true as well. To say America did it only for the money is probably one of the most insulting things I\'ve heard on this board. Japan declared war on the US, and Hitler followed suit several days later.

We (the Brits, and the US) fought and won the war together, and to say otherwise is poppycock and revisionist history.

That\'s far better. Clearly the U.S. input was vital. You make it sound far more logical. Though the results were still settled before the input.

 

[DaN]

Originally posted by Swordwind
Though inadvertantly, all of Western and particulary American culture is to blame for filling the poor sorry bastards head with so much shit.
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Hogwash, otherwise this would happen far more often and be a purely western phenomenon. It is not.
Insanity does not stop at borders.

Citizen X - one of the best and most interesting serial killer films I\'ve seen.
(Although, strictly speaking, a serial killer is quite different from a mass murderer)

Can we close this thread now please mods?? PLEASE??

 

[Dragon Forge Design]

Originally posted by Swordwind
If you cant get a handgun where do you get an assault rifle from?

Oh getting an assult rifle is easy. To buy a hand gun I have to apply for a permit and a 5 day period before I can get the gun from purchase. On the other hand I can buy and walk out of the store with a shotgun, hunting rifle or even an \"Assult\" rifle the same day.
Though the term Assult rifle should be used loosely as it may look like one and even fire a large round, its not automatic like a true assult weapon. The simple fact is most crimes are committed with hand guns so they have the 5 day period for a background check or what they call a cooling off period.

 

[Evil Dave]

Originally posted by Swordwind
How often do you hear about school shootings in eastern countries? Sure theres a hell of a lot of lunatics blowing each other up for religious and political reasons, but they rarely just snap and shoot each other up.

How often do the atrocities in Darfur or many other places around the world get printed out by the media. Not very many. It doesn\'t sell.
Case in point: Iraqui schools

An interesting study:The most violent nation?

 

[Infidel Castro]

Originally posted by Shawn R. L.






You tend to attach crassness and simple brutishness with your comments.......the point is really simple Phil, learn some adult decorum and decency.

How about stop boring me with your bollocks? I hate the type of nonsense you peddle, from your personal issues to your utter nonsense gun fantasies.

 

[Infidel Castro]

Originally posted by Evil Dave

Originally posted by Swordwind
How often do you hear about school shootings in eastern countries? Sure theres a hell of a lot of lunatics blowing each other up for religious and political reasons, but they rarely just snap and shoot each other up.

How often do the atrocities in Darfur or many other places around the world get printed out by the media. Not very many. It doesn\'t sell.
Case in point: Iraqui schools

An interesting study:The most violent nation?

Who won?

 

[Evil Dave]

Originally posted by reverend

Who won?

By UN statistics using Homicide rates reported Columbia, seconded by Russia.
The US is actually around 35th out of 86 nations.

 

[Shawn R. L.]

Originally posted by reverend

Originally posted by Shawn R. L.






You tend to attach crassness and simple brutishness with your comments.......the point is really simple Phil, learn some adult decorum and decency.

How about stop boring me with your bollocks? I hate the type of nonsense you peddle, from your personal issues to your utter nonsense gun fantasies.

Dosen\'t go over quite so well when you are called into question...............good nite Phil.

 

[Evil Dave]

Rev, Shawn, Knock it off or I\'ll shoot you both myself.lol

I would plead self defense as well as protecting the sanity of the other board members.

 

[No Such Agency]

\"Evil Dave wuz totally at my house all night when those two arguing guys got shot. We was playing Nintendo and shit. He didn\'t shoot nobody I swear.\"

See? He\'d have an alibi and everything

 

[flashlight warrior]

Why is everybody obsessing over the fact that he used a handgun? Its not the gun laws that failed, its the people in charge of handling situations like that that failed. 1. They knew he was mentally unstable and was a threat to himself and others and they did not commit him to an institution 2. There was 2 hours between the first 2 shootings and the final 31 shootings and all Campus Officials did to warn students was send out an e-mail 3. they didnt bother to shut the school down or do anything to stop him because they figured it was an isolated incident! I ask you, what does it matter how he killed all those people, but how did the people in charge let the situation get as bad as it did? Its not gun laws that need to change, its stupid beurocrats that need to get their heads out of their asses and look out for the good of the people and stop worrying about how they will look to the press.

 

[neko katan]

to be honest..i\'m kind of surprised that i havent heard much in the way of \"dont be a jerk to people, mentally unstable or not, so stuff like this will be less likely to happen\" :]

 

[Evil Dave]

Originally posted by flashlight warrior
2. There was 2 hours between the first 2 shootings and the final 31 shootings and all Campus Officials did to warn students was send out an e-mail 3. they didnt bother to shut the school down or do anything to stop him because they figured it was an isolated incident!

This I actually understand.
When Cho killed the first two, it looked like a murder of passion, witnesses had even said they saw an asian man fleeing campus.
To the cops and the school this was an open and shut case, all that remained was to find the killer. There is no way they could\'ve foreseen what happened afterwards.
Good decisions are based on the odds of things happening. The odds that a guy who murders two people then comes back later to the scene to kill 30 more was, until that day, unheard of. No one could have foreseen this.Simply put, You don\'t plan for things like this until they have happened.
As for shutting down the school, would that have changed anything? Maybe, maybe not. It is possible he just would\'ve walked to the student union, or the cafeteria, and killed even more kids. Hell, there were even a lot of kids who got the e-mail and still went to class.
Not to mention, Virgina Tech has approximately 26,000 students, it\'s a small town in itself. Do we lock down our towns or cities when someone is murdered?
No, the only way anyone can blame the administration for their decisions is through using hindsight, the information that we have now.

Now, if you would like to blame the administration, for missing the red flags that were all over this kid, that IMHO, would be the angle to go to stop this from happening again.