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Friar
Dorks for Orks
Originally posted by Jike Ichi
In think the fact the u guys all start discussing about that raped woman plastic set shows that he made his point quite clear.
If it was a stabbed man or some other crime no one would start discussing. And thats the artist\'s purpose on that exhibition. Getting poeple to think.
So art is not always FUN or BEAUTIFUL! Thank god!!!!
Actually most of the beautiful paintings nowadays are crap and meaningless. Who needs another beautiful girlportrait???
The only thing I don\'t get in modern art are all those abstract colour orgasms on canvas...WTF is that for?
This has some meaning at least. A statement!
Sometimes you have to kick the viewers in the ass..or in the eyes...
I dig that exhibition 100%!
well once I scrolled down the page far enough to see the deceased raped woman I closed the window, if I was at this viewing chances are upon seeing this on display I would have spit on the floor and left. I also havn\'t seen much thought provoked other then Matty\'s idea on it, the only real idea this piece has given me is just how much of a hack the so called artist is.
It\'s one thing to depict archetypes of modern culture for example the rockstar the artist. A dead rape victim isn\'t an archetype I don\'t really see it fitting with the rest of the pieces in any sensible way, it seems employeed more for the sole purpose of controversy most likely to get free press attention.
I hold the two subjects as one in the same destroying the life of one who is helpless and innocent is not to be made light of it\'s just distasteful and to me shows the character of the artist as being extrememly lacking.
Also one basic difference between the Rape of the Sabine women and this is the first was an illustration of a classic literary creation myth while the later is a representation of people from modern reality while the difference is small it does make the difference, also one has a real purpose to reflect a story from the history of man the other has no real purpose or intent other then shock.
cfwheeler58
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So much for my attempt to lighten the mood a little. Yikes......
What makes you think this artist takes the subject matter lightly? I don\'t know this guy\'s thoughts about this work more than you do, but just assuming he takes it lightly seems a bit presumptious to me. I can think of several quite meaningful ways to look upon this work. Is it a joyful thing to experience? No, and that\'s hardly the purpose either.
Once again you claim to know the purpose of this work and assume it\'s superficial and mere attention-seeking.
I found your post amusing. The mood\'s not really that heavy IMO, just people proudly and purposefully pontificating on their primary perceptions of piss and piety, not to mention perfunctory positions on philosophy (yeah I know...it was an \"f\" sound...but it\'s still a \"p\" word).
I have no idea why I did that...I need more hobbies.
Friar
Dorks for Orks
This is a quote by the artist who was interviewed in prague compass magazine, pretty much summed up my thoughts himself, just a hack
PC: Does the body of your work mean something as a whole? Is it supposed to mean something for others, or is it mainly just for you?
DC: Well I tell myself that I\'m doing it for my friends. Otherwise, I just enjoy pissing people off.
Friar
Dorks for Orks
I doubt it was tongue in cheek, all his replies to the interviewers questions are fairly straight and dry if that makes sense.
also the next and last question and reply are
PC: So in a hundred years, you won\'t mind being known as the person who pissed people off?
DC: No, that will be fine.
hell be easier to just link the article Linky
I agree with many of the comments that art isn\'t and more importantly shouldn\'t always be light and pretty. But there is a big difference between moving deep pieces of art and crass, shocking or pointless use of horrid subject matter.
One example of proper moving and thought provoking that pops to mind is the piece Bragon displayed Here
to commemorate the declaration of human rights. It is a stunning piece of art that both depicts a very dispicable act that of binding a person in chains making a slave of them and treating them as they were an animal, but the difference is Bragon approached the subject with sensitivity and respect, He made a piece of srt that is truly wonderful and heart wrenching at the same time but gives his subject a sense of dignity while casting shame on the mindset of man that allowed the enslavement of others. And all this is achieved as I said with respect and a feeling of love and compassion for his subject. (I hope he doesn\'t mind me using his piece as an example of what I mean)
I also must admit I get alot out of discussions like these as I hope others do too.
Ritual thankyou, I shouldn\'t be so assuming of something that I may not totally understand and occasionally I do make that blunder. That is why I enjoy real discussions such as these and even the butt-painter, it allows for the refinement of my own thought process and gives a reflection of how I approach things and how I can approach them better. In the fairly rural hillbilly area I live having good talks about art, politics, or philosophy are pretty much non-existent and while this community isn\'t built around such debate I find this community to be one I feel comfortable with and respect/value the views of those around.
Cheers All
also the next and last question and reply are
PC: So in a hundred years, you won\'t mind being known as the person who pissed people off?
DC: No, that will be fine.
hell be easier to just link the article Linky
I agree with many of the comments that art isn\'t and more importantly shouldn\'t always be light and pretty. But there is a big difference between moving deep pieces of art and crass, shocking or pointless use of horrid subject matter.
One example of proper moving and thought provoking that pops to mind is the piece Bragon displayed Here
to commemorate the declaration of human rights. It is a stunning piece of art that both depicts a very dispicable act that of binding a person in chains making a slave of them and treating them as they were an animal, but the difference is Bragon approached the subject with sensitivity and respect, He made a piece of srt that is truly wonderful and heart wrenching at the same time but gives his subject a sense of dignity while casting shame on the mindset of man that allowed the enslavement of others. And all this is achieved as I said with respect and a feeling of love and compassion for his subject. (I hope he doesn\'t mind me using his piece as an example of what I mean)
I also must admit I get alot out of discussions like these as I hope others do too.
Ritual thankyou, I shouldn\'t be so assuming of something that I may not totally understand and occasionally
I do make that blunder. That is why I enjoy real discussions such as these and even the butt-painter, it allows for the refinement of my own thought process and gives a reflection of how I approach things and how I can approach them better. In the fairly rural hillbilly area I live having good talks about art, politics, or philosophy are pretty much non-existent and while this community isn\'t built around such debate I find this community to be one I feel comfortable with and respect/value the views of those around.Cheers All
Avelorn
Sven Jonsson
This discussion could be endless.
I respect your opinion and I like the piece very much. But for me that is not that thought-provoking as it is set in the past. A bit, but not exactly, like explaining the holocaust because germans were stupid or a specific kind of indoctrination.. not because we all can get in that situation, we all can become monsters. Thoughtprovoking for me would perhaps be to use the same imagery and apply it too women an children being sold over borders here in Europe. The same thing is happening today here, right next to us.I read the interview as well.. and I am even more assured it was tounge in cheek. He is definately angry at things and have a message in it. And for me the raped woman is a perfect archetype as it is such a strong image of something. It is gut-wrenching. And if dealt with without compassion and love, without a hollywood filter it becomes even stronger.. almost unbearable as some of you have expressed. Is it bad taste? probably I might even say most definately. But I think I\'m going to quote someone:
\"The chief enemy of creativity is good taste\" -Pablo Picasso
If you want to start a discussion don\'t use a pea-gun. Don\'t be nuanced. It\'s up to the discussion to make it nuanced later...
A quote that I think sheds some light about what he thinks about it all:
Lots of artists like to \"fool around\" when they\'re being interviewed. I wouldn\'t read too much into those answers in that article. I would, in fact, be more worried if he had tried to sound really intellectual and \"deep\".
And, Friar, you\'re welcome! I like these type of discussions too. Even though neither I or anyone else is likely to change our views I find I learn much about how other people see things. I find that very interesting and important.
And, Friar, you\'re welcome!
I like these type of discussions too. Even though neither I or anyone else is likely to change our views I find I learn much about how other people see things. I find that very interesting and important.You know, I have to say...
I am very impressed with our group of forum denizens. This is one of the few areas I\'ve found that conversations as controversial as these rarely explode into outright bickering. Folks here seem to really respect each other and open themselves up to differing viewpoints.
I definitely line up more closely with friar here, but it\'s nice to see we can all laugh about it while we debate it. I don\'t wanna sound all cumbaya or anything...I\'m just saying it\'s refreshing. It would be so IRL, it\'s even more so on a forum where it\'s so easy to misread a persons intentions.
Bravo to you guys. If I weren\'t so close-minded and dogmatic, I might feel warm and fuzzy inside.
[size=-2]...that was a little something to see if I can keep up my role with avelorn. I truly am impressed.[/size]
I am very impressed with our group of forum denizens. This is one of the few areas I\'ve found that conversations as controversial as these rarely explode into outright bickering. Folks here seem to really respect each other and open themselves up to differing viewpoints.
I definitely line up more closely with friar here, but it\'s nice to see we can all laugh about it while we debate it. I don\'t wanna sound all cumbaya or anything...I\'m just saying it\'s refreshing. It would be so IRL, it\'s even more so on a forum where it\'s so easy to misread a persons intentions.
Bravo to you guys. If I weren\'t so close-minded and dogmatic, I might feel warm and fuzzy inside.
[size=-2]...that was a little something to see if I can keep up my role with avelorn. I truly am impressed.[/size]
Thunderhawker
New member
Many common idioms come to mind with this:
Art is meant to evoke an emotional response.
Art is supposed to make you think.
Art reflects life (and life sometimes sucks)
Not all art is rainbows and butterflies. Not all art is beautiful. Heck, much art is not, in my opinion, art. To me, art needs some effort, thought and craft involved. Clearly these pieces meet my criteria. Thus, is it art? Aye.
Art is meant to evoke an emotional response.
Art is supposed to make you think.
Art reflects life (and life sometimes sucks)
Not all art is rainbows and butterflies. Not all art is beautiful. Heck, much art is not, in my opinion, art. To me, art needs some effort, thought and craft involved. Clearly these pieces meet my criteria. Thus, is it art? Aye.
