Non-Americans can be sooo gullible

darthfoley

Active member
Originally posted by supervike
Egads, I\'d hate to think that it is! I\'d be one of the biggest Mass Murderers alive....

lollollol

Plus, some of the burial plots might have been less than pleasant.....:rolleyes:

Or as Bill Hicks once put it, \'If every sperm is a living being, I\'ve wiped entire civilizations off my stomach with a dirty gym sock\'.
 

darthfoley

Active member
Originally posted by Shawn R. L.
If you look back to the 90\'s there was almost unanamous agreement , world wide , including Clinton, Kerry, and many nations that are eger to throw stones at the US now, that Hussien had a weapons program and was close to getting nukes. Their testomony is a matter of public record. Now that none have been found this is all conviently forgotten.

Perhaps conveniently forgotten because none of them led us into a war over it?

I\'ve said it before - if I *think* my next door neighbor has a baseball bat that he *might* use against me, would I be justified in going over there and kicking his ass? Even if, say, 10 years ago he and I had a previous altercation?

I don\'t think so, and I simply don\'t see why I should be held to higher standards than the leader of the free world.

Hussein was a vile man, certainly, and his removal from power cannot be considered anything but good. I guess I\'m just someone who doesn\'t think the end always justifies the means.
 

Nelson

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Popping in for a correction....

Originally posted by vincegamer
However, no American news source was duped into believing an impersonator on the Howard Stern show was actually an exclusive interview on policy with the governor of California (where it would have been 4:00 am at the time).

Dude, the Canadian newspaper was The Toronto Sun. A tabloid.

They WANT to be fooled....

Don\'t make me cite the crazy shit that American tabloids soak up and wring out. :D
 

MarkusTay

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Originally posted by vincegamer
Some people will say:
\"life starts at conception.\"
I prefer to reply:
\"but when do Rights start?\"
Are you trying to establish that a sperm has rights?! ???

Legally, that would make a sperm a \"person\" ...

Holy $hit! Someone arrest my wife! She\'s a God damn cannibal! lol
 

Trevor

Brushlicker and Freak!
Oh... (insert shocked, amused, laughing smily here).

So you are saying a sperm is not alive?

According to merring it only does m r i , movement, respiration and irritability. So no, not alive, although, it is living.

Because we don\'t want people to do it to us?

Thats the main one for me.


Actually I think the issue might be between the definitions of \'alive\' and \'sentient\'. There is a big difference in my mind...and presumably in the mind of most vegetarians

Actually plants are very sentinent. Plants have an amazing capacity to sense their environment, they also feel \"pain\" its just they do it in in a way different to animals. For example, I study single celled plants that migrate below the sediment surface minutes before the tide comes in and back to the surface when it goes out. If you consider that tides vary, being approx an hour later each day and vary with the phase of the moon, the fact that they shift their migration pattern appropriately is pretty damn impressive, especially for a single cell!

Vegetarians are far more cruel than carnivores, at least carnivores generally kill their food before eating it. Vegetarians torture their food to death by starving it in a dark cold fridge, they also eat embryo\'s all the time.
 

Shawn R. L.

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I\'ve said it before - if I *think* my next door neighbor has a baseball bat that he *might* use against me, would I be justified in going over there and kicking his ass?

*If* your neighbor has a track record of killing most of the people he comes into contact with, aiding ones like him, his sons feed people into wood chippers alive AND he is showing signs of trying to acquire a baseball bat that can vaporise the entire neighborhood.......yeah, kick his ass, and the horse he rode in on to.
Was it a guess to go in there? Yes. Mr. Hussien fanned and fueled the fires that came back to burn him. Tough luck if someone is so stupid as to do that. He reminds me of those people who do \'suicide by cop\'. Someone comes out waving a gun (sometimes a toy or unloaded gun) and the cops shoot, the guy gets exactly what he barganed for. Saddam did everything WRONG to keep his sorry ass from getting shellacked. The ferocious wet noodle of the UN fourteen times told him \'we mean business\'. Yeah right. Pathetic half assed measures are what lead men such as Hussien to pursue the evil they lust after. There is guranteed no consequence other than the UN saying \'no no\' and many countries taking money (the food right from the mouths of the starving Iraquies) under the table.
 

darthfoley

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Originally posted by Shawn R. L.
*If* your neighbor has a track record of killing most of the people he comes into contact with, aiding ones like him, his sons feed people into wood chippers alive AND he is showing signs of trying to acquire a baseball bat that can vaporise the entire neighborhood.......yeah, kick his ass, and the horse he rode in on to.

Or if he\'s *allegedly* showing signs, maybe? Either way, I\'d be considered a criminal. I\'m no attorney, but AFAIK self-defense only applies to cases of imminent danger.

I probably wouldn\'t be bothered quite as much by the whole thing if Dubya had simply said, \'Look, this is a bad guy and he needs to be eliminated\'. I still wouldn\'t have agreed with invading another country, but at least I wouldn\'t have to combine my bad feelings for that with the feeling that the guy who is supposed to be my leader either a) doesn\'t respect his people enough to tell them his real reasoning, or b) isn\'t bright enough to sort out the chaff of bullshit from the hard metal of the truth.

*shrug*
 

Infidel Castro

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Originally posted by MarkusTay
Originally posted by reverend
Hang on, it\'s the UK who are having an Election tomorrow...this is a good smoke-screen!

Bless you all, you crazy moral pugilists.

So how does the election process work in merry Ol\' England?

You all go down to the pub, and the last person standing gets to be Prime Minister? lol

But I live in miserable ol\' Wales Mr Tay!
 

paintingploddy

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When does the invasion of Iraq become bad? When more Iraqis are killed afterwards than by Saddam?

The US has a long history of convenient alliances with despicable regimes. That has been the case since the Second World War and beyond - an alliance with Stalin\'s Soviet Union for instance (one book I\'ve read places 50,000,000 deaths on his hands, a far more succesful dictator than Hitler) through to apartheid South Africa (to fight Cubans in Angola of all places) through to some of the modern day allies in the war against terrorism (I believe the British ambassador to Kyrgystan was sacked after exposing the interrogation techniques used there)

History will be the true judge.

By the way, why is it in the UK, Australia and Europe people say Americans are so naive? :D
 

minimaker

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Origineel geplaatst door paintingploddyBy the way, why is it in the UK, Australia and Europe people say Americans are so naive? :D
That has always been the stereotype. I think it was started by the large amount of near \"stereotypical\" American tourists we get over here. Naive, uninformed, culturally unsensitive, overly cheerfull, etc. First impressions that have never left us. :D Glad I\'ve been to the US and know there are other Americans around.
Bush doesn\'t help by the way. Culturaly unsensitive is definitely a problem with him. I still find it incredible how he + some of his government managed to change the Netherlands and many other European countries from \"divided on the issue of invading Iraq\" to \"generally opposed to it\" BEFORE the attack occured. Never seen anybody piss off so many countries in such a short time!
 
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G-nome

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I think the real thing I object to is the varied reasons for invasion over time. These changed with circumstances and were never that convincing. I am still amazed that the chemical weapons werent even faked.

I did see a cartoon with Bush and Blair at a press conference and the question put to them was \"How do you know they have weapons of mass destruction?\"
Bush and Blair answer \"Because we still have the receipts.\"
 

paintingploddy

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That is the one bit of integrity I see in this. If they had found some I imagine conspiracy theorists will have an even bigger field day.
 

Dr Sanch

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Hello i\'m a newb to posting on this site but this thread looked interesting.

As for the debate on abortions i myself think the original intention to allow them in this country (UK) was to stop the backstreet abortionists who caused so much harm, and to help women in cases of rape or abuse or where it would cause actual harm mentally or physically to the woman.

I work at a hospital and now the TOPS (termination of pregnancy) clinic is being scaled back because doctors are not willing to do it as there are repeat offenders. Some women treat it almost like contraception and have had several in a short space of time.

My own belief is that abortion should be allowed but only for genuine cases, hard to define i realise. If it\'s not conceived you don\'t have to make that choice. Get a condom, it\'s easy enough. They hand them out free at family planning clinics.

As for the War I think what bothered me the most was being lied/misled about the info we had about Iraq. Stuff about WMDs ready to use against us within 45mins was found to be lies and the Govt knew this pre-war. That was our reason for war, we didn\'t say anything about regime change.
I hope the end justifies the means, i have no problem with the military they are just doing there job and i have friends that serve. Sadly many are disillusioned about the whole thing. We just don\'t have the manpower or resources to do it right. We are sending fully trained up engineers with degrees to fill in as infantry patrols.

Thanks for the opportunity to say my piece.
 

Evil Dave

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Originally posted by Dr Sanch
We are sending fully trained up engineers with degrees to fill in as infantry patrols.

As if those engineers lives are worth more than the average grunts?

Nope, you join the army you get the training in bootcamp on how to pull a trigger.
Degree or not you volunteered for it.


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It\'s not like they didn\'t know the risks, it\'s not the Boy Scouts, or a health club, it\'s the friggin\' Army. Join the Air Force if you don\'t want to be in ground combat. Or better yet don\'t join at all if you\'re going to whine about doing a job that YOU volunteered for.
 

Evil Dave

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Moral obligation to all it\'s men.
Just because you have a specialty class does not set you above the grunt work.
That is a fallacy in the mind of the specialist.
You\'re a soldier first, an engineer second.

*edit*
During the first Gulf War I was a Sonar Tech in the Navy. I was manning 50 caliber machine guns and part of our onboard security force, not to mention on the fire fighting team. I did my turn helping out in the mess galley, and underway replenishments (which is pretty friggin dangerous). When an aircraft went in the water, I was one of the guys helping pull the razor sharp pieces out of the water, when we went on drug ops with the Coast Guard I was the first one boarding a ship. I was a Technician, but I was a sailor, too.
 
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